Start11 1.22 Beta Feedback Thread

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With the Start11 1.22 beta release today, we are creating this thread so that users can report any observed issues.  

Obtaining the beta:

Object Desktop members can get the beta from within Object Desktop Manager with 'show beta downloads' enabled:

Individual purchases (as well as Object Desktop Members) can also be obtained from your account page:

https://store.stardock.com/myaccount/products

Reporting an issue:

Please include the following for anything found:

  • Exact Windows version \ build (winver.exe)
  • Detailed steps to recreate the issue seen
  • Screenshots and videos are very helpful.  Videos can be uploaded to a cloud drive services (GoogleDrive, DropBox, OneDrive, YouTube) and link included in your post.  Images can be directly added.
  • If there are specific apps that the app does not work (well) with, please note what apps and their exact versions.  If any app is not common, a link to a trial version would be appreciated.

Thank you for your interest and any time you put into making Start11 a better product.

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Reply #1 from Stardock Forums Top

Start11 1.22 is a culmination of changes included in prior betas.

Start11 1.22 Beta changelog

04/20/2022
  • Added option for seconds on clock to Start11 configuration screen (taskbar)
    Note: Windows 10 and Win11 beta/dev channel only
  • Improved painting performance of config UI when scrolling especially on Taskbar page as performance was slower than intended
  • Made config detect the use of insider channel versions of Windows and will indicate this on the about page
  • Help link on insider releases of Windows 11 changed to go to entry in FAQ explaining our policy on these OSes
  • Prevented a background refresh of menu contents while right click menu is open in Win10/11 menus
  • Prevented a background refresh of menu contents while dragging an item in the menu
  • Fixed issue with JetBrains Toolbox showing on the taskbar incorrectly
  • Fixed issue with focus being assigned to no window sometimes when minimizing a window from the taskbar by clicking on the taskbar button when enhanced taskbar mode is enabled
04/19/2022
  • Added registry key to make Start11 never group pinned items with running apps - usual reg location "SeparatePins" set to 1
  • Added registry key to make Start11 taskbar buttons have less padding between and inside of them allowing more to fit. This only applies to pinned apps / running app buttons. It does not apply to the widgets, search etc icons. Usual reg location "CompactTaskbarButtons" set to 1
  • Adding registry key to make Start11 have altered padding internally for taskbar app / pinned buttons. Usual reg location "TaskbarPadding" set to padding value
  • Added registry key to enable a start button compatibility mode if clicks are opening the Win11 menu - usual reg location "StartButtonCompatMode" set to 1
  • Added support for ShowSecondsInSystemClock registry key that worked on Win10 for seconds on the clock. May take a short while to apply after an explorer restart
  • Fixed issue from prev build where clock on secondary taskbar was missing on Win11 dev/beta builds
  • Fixed issue on Win11 release where the right click menus on network / sound icons did not always accept input when enhanced taskbar was enabled
  • Shift + restart from the shutdown menu should now boot to recovery screen as it does with native menu
  • Fixed small resource leak when using enhanced taskbar and opening a window with an icon without an alpha channel. Typically this would be extremely old apps
  • Fixed issue with right click on pinned icons (not running apps) showing menu off screen if too far left on screen
  • Fixed issue with occasional clicks on taskbar potentially causing an explorer crash on Windows 11
  • Fixing issue with elevated apps causing trouble with start button click on occasion
  • Tweak to hopefully resolve issue with first click on secondary taskbar start button not launching the menu on Win11 for some users.
  • Fixed issue with change of screen res / scaling causing taskbar to resize down to one row incorrectly on Win11
  • Changed how Start11 handles the taskbar shows when opening the start menu inside a fullscreen app / game
  • Fixed issue with pinning from new style all programs list onto Win7/Modern menu losing jumplists. Any existing shortcuts would need to be recreated.
  • Modified shutdown to support automatic restarting of apps before login where configured on the PC and on supported OS

Start11 1.21 Beta changelog:

  • NEW ** MS edge tabs now show in search results
  • NEW ** Search results now boost the last run item for a given search
  • Fixed issue with corrupted Minecraft icon causing the menu to crash
  • Fixed issue with a blank taskbar when enhanced taskbar enabled on Windows 11 and you have 2 or more monitors with the main monitor to the right of a secondary and taskbars only set to show on the main monitor.
  • Fixed issue with Win+<num key> not rotating through the group of windows when more than one app running from the given task
  • Fixed issue with Win+<num key> not always activating the right window depending on window visibility and monitor settings
  • Fixed issue with Win+<num key> so it does not minimize windows which are part of a group (regardless of taskbar grouping status)
  • Fixed issue with clock on secondary taskbars being clipped slightly when using a small taskbar
  • Fixed incorrect icon used for pinned MS edge webpage shortcuts on the taskbar
  • Possible fix for incorrect background colour on some older icons on the taskbar
  • Made warning about left aligned start button when enhanced taskbar is enabled bold and red
  • Made prompt about enabling enhanced taskbar features popup when you enable it from the taskbar page too
  • Hidden "Sign-in options" from shutdown menu on Windows 11 non beta/dev as that is only shown by those OSes so may cause confusion and added registry key for those who wish to hide it on later OSes "DisableSignInOptionsLink" set to 1 in HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Stardock\Start8\Start8.ini\Start8
  • Finalized en.lng strings
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Reply #2 from Stardock Forums Top
Known issues
  • On Win11 : Clicking on a grouped taskbar button on a secondary taskbar will not popup the switcher window when you have > 1 window of that app running. This is a bug in the OS itself and can be reproduced on Windows 11 without Start11. Mouseover hover will show the popup just fine.
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Reply #3 from Stardock Forums Top

With the release of Start11 1.22, we are closing this thread.

Thanks to all that took the time to provide feedback.

Sean Drohan
Stardock Product Lifecycle Manager

Reply #4 from Stardock Forums Top

There is a lot to dive into on this update. First off is this the correct position of the taskbar tabs?

Reply #5 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting PhoenixRising1, reply 4

There is a lot to dive into on this update. First off is this the correct position of the taskbar tabs?


Which taskbar size are you using and which version of Windows 11?

Reply #6 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting Neil, reply 5

Which taskbar size are you using and which version of Windows 11?

This would be medium size on Windows 11 version 1000.22598.200.0 (yes it is an insider build)

Reply #7 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting PhoenixRising1, reply 6


Quoting Neil Banfield,
reply 5

Which taskbar size are you using and which version of Windows 11?



This would be medium size on Windows 11 version 1000.22598.200.0 (yes it is an insider build)

Are you sure thats on medium as those icons look like large.

Also is that an autohide taskbar?  Those can only be one line and a fixed height.

Reply #8 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting Neil, reply 7

Are you sure thats on medium as those icons look like large.

Also is that an autohide taskbar? Those can only be one line and a fixed height.

I have discovered the issue. I have a 2 in 1 laptop and have the following taskbar option.

"optimize taskbar for touch interactions when this device is used as a tablet"

When I turned this feature "off" the taskbar went back to normal. Honestly, with start 11 I probably will not use this option anyways.

Auto hide taskbar is actually fixed and working on this release with the insider build.

Reply #9 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting PhoenixRising1, reply 8

Quoting Neil Banfield,
reply 7

Are you sure thats on medium as those icons look like large.

Also is that an autohide taskbar? Those can only be one line and a fixed height.


I have discovered the issue. I have a 2 in 1 laptop and have the following taskbar option.

"optimize taskbar for touch interactions when this device is used as a tablet"

When I turned this feature "off" the taskbar went back to normal. Honestly, with start 11 I probably will not use this option anyways.

Auto hide taskbar is actually fixed and working on this release with the insider build.

That is still very interesting and perhaps something we need to account for....

Sean Drohan
Stardock Product Lifecycle Manager

Reply #10 from Stardock Forums Top

I'm having two problems in both 1.2 and 1.22.

My taskbars are top aligned, in case that matters, two monitors, 2560x1440 and 1920x1080, both landscape with 100% scaling.  Win 11 Pro 21H2 (build 22000.613)

With the "Let Start11 enhance the taskbar" feature enabled, the taskbar on the primary monitor doesn't show clock/notification area, and when autohidden, won't auto unhide most of the time.  Seems to auto unhide if the mouse is over positions where icons will be when it comes back, but not if there's empty space.  These issues don't occur with the taskbar enhancement disabled.  

The other is that the taskbar on the primary monitor keeps offsetting itself from the top of the screen:

 

Reply #11 from Stardock Forums Top

Latest windows updates seem to break moving secondary monitor taskbars to top.
The registry keys associated with moving taskbars (regardless of start11) don't seem to do anything anymore either.

Seems Microsoft really want to kill the taskbar.. :/

Reply #12 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting Dipso, reply 11

Latest windows updates seem to break moving secondary monitor taskbars to top.
The registry keys associated with moving taskbars (regardless of start11) don't seem to do anything anymore either.

Seems Microsoft really want to kill the taskbar.. :/

Are you seeing any issues on the primary monitor after the update was installed?

Reply #13 from Stardock Forums Top
  • Well I don't use the feature on my main monitor, but I did test it and was able to move that to the top.

Other monitors however, did not work at all. :/

I used the registry changes as I have special needs not covered with start 11 settings (I have the taskbar on bottom on main and screen 2 but on top on 3 (due to how my screens are arranged physically)

Now however neither registry settings or the start11 menu does anything.

Reply #14 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting Dipso, reply 13

 

    • Well I don't use the feature on my main monitor, but I did test it and was able to move that to the top.

 


Other monitors however, did not work at all. :/

I used the registry changes as I have special needs not covered with start 11 settings (I have the taskbar on bottom on main and screen 2 but on top on 3 (due to how my screens are arranged physically)

Now however neither registry settings or the start11 menu does anything.

 

What exact version \ build # of Windows 11 are you running (winver.exe screenshot would work)? 

We are trying to replicate this on the latest version of the dev channel but are not running into this problem. It may be related to your previous registry changes. If you can, try setting them back to default configuration, then use Start11 to move the taskbar on the secondary display. 

Reply #15 from Stardock Forums Top

What is this?

"Added support for ShowSecondsInSystemClock registry key that worked on Win10 for seconds on the clock. May take a short while to apply after an explorer restart"

I have it set, but it doesn't work, I don't see the seconds in the system tray. But I have taken these steps:

1. Start the Registry Editor (regedit.exe)

2. Go to the following registry branch:HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Advanced

3. In the right-pane, create a DWORD (32-bit) value named ShowSecondsInSystemClock

4. Double-click ShowSecondsInSystemClock and set its data to 1

5. Exit the Registry Editor.Log off and login back in. Or restart the Explorer shell for the change to take effect.

Reply #16 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting laszlodrgero, reply 15

"Added support for ShowSecondsInSystemClock registry key that worked on Win10 for seconds on the clock. May take a short while to apply after an explorer restart"

Works for me, and no longer requires a reg edit. There is an option in settings under "taskbar" with a slider next to "show seconds on the taskbar clock" explorer will need to be restarted for it to work

Reply #17 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting laszlodrgero, reply 15

What is this?

"Added support for ShowSecondsInSystemClock registry key that worked on Win10 for seconds on the clock. May take a short while to apply after an explorer restart"

I have it set, but it doesn't work, I don't see the seconds in the system tray. But I have taken these steps:

1. Start the Registry Editor (regedit.exe)

2. Go to the following registry branch:HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Advanced

3. In the right-pane, create a DWORD (32-bit) value named ShowSecondsInSystemClock

4. Double-click ShowSecondsInSystemClock and set its data to 1

5. Exit the Registry Editor.Log off and login back in. Or restart the Explorer shell for the change to take effect.

This requires Win11 beta or dev channel to work (or Windows 10)

Reply #18 from Stardock Forums Top

So now when i minimize a delphi app the TApplication window is shown despite being hidden and displayed in iconic form just above the start button.

I can restore or close the application with it however it shouldn't be visible at all. This does not occur on w10 only on w11

Reply #19 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting BradSams, reply 14


Quoting Dipso,
reply 13


 



      • Well I don't use the feature on my main monitor, but I did test it and was able to move that to the top.



 


Other monitors however, did not work at all. :/

I used the registry changes as I have special needs not covered with start 11 settings (I have the taskbar on bottom on main and screen 2 but on top on 3 (due to how my screens are arranged physically)

Now however neither registry settings or the start11 menu does anything.



 

What exact version \ build # of Windows 11 are you running (winver.exe screenshot would work)? 

We are trying to replicate this on the latest version of the dev channel but are not running into this problem. It may be related to your previous registry changes. If you can, try setting them back to default configuration, then use Start11 to move the taskbar on the secondary display. 

 

Edition    Windows 11 Pro
Version    21H2
Installed on    ‎03.‎11.‎2021
OS build    22000.613
Experience    Windows Feature Experience Pack 1000.22000.613.0

I believe the behaviour changed with this update:

April 12, 2022—KB5012592 (OS Build 22000.613)

 

I have tried to change or delete the registry keys but nothing happens. For me it looks like Windows simply ignores those entries now... :/

 

It could also be this one:

March 28, 2022—KB5011563 (OS Build 22000.593) Preview

That i see also got installed this month.

 

Reply #20 from Stardock Forums Top

@PhoenixRising1

"There is an option in settings under "taskbar" with a slider next to "show seconds on the taskbar clock""

Where can I find it? Please picture! I cannot find it in the settings (Start11_1.22-j182-Setup_sd.exe is installed).

@Neil Banfield

My Windows is Windows 11 Pro v.21H2 build number: 22000.613

Reply #21 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting laszlodrgero, reply 20

@PhoenixRising1

"There is an option in settings under "taskbar" with a slider next to "show seconds on the taskbar clock""

Where can I find it? Please picture! I cannot find it in the settings (Start11_1.22-j182-Setup_sd.exe is installed).

@Neil Banfield

My Windows is Windows 11 Pro v.21H2 build number: 22000.613

You are not using the dev/beta version of Windows 11 which is why the option is not available.  It requires a newer version of Windows 11.

Reply #22 from Stardock Forums Top

G'day, love the usability improvements, especially the extra padding settings.

Just one comment, is there any way of making it so that right-clicking a window does not "Close all windows"? For example, say there are two explorer windows open: if I right-click on one of them, make it so that I have the option of only closing that one, not all of them?

Reply #23 from Stardock Forums Top

I keep wondering why those who bought a pack of 5 licenses and want to participate in testing the beta versions should beg every time for a link.:annoyed:  

For those who are not aware: in the purchased licenses section there are no purchases of packs of 5 licenses; the only place where there is a trace of it is in the purchase history; there is the only link to download the software (and only in stable version, no beta)<_<  

Reply #24 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting ScaccoMatto, reply 23

I keep wondering why those who bought a pack of 5 licenses and want to participate in testing the beta versions should beg every time for a link.:annoyed:  

For those who are not aware: in the purchased licenses section there are no purchases of packs of 5 licenses; the only place where there is a trace of it is in the purchase history; there is the only link to download the software (and only in stable version, no beta)<_<  

It is not showing for you because your 5 pack was licensed under a different email address. I have merged the accounts and you should now be able to see the 5 pack and the link to the beta download

 

Paul Scroggins
Associate Technical Support Analyst

Reply #25 from Stardock Forums Top

 

I'm on v1.2 (don't know if Beta, app doesn't say, check for updates says I'm on current s/w)

If I select "Let Start11 enhance  the taskbar" then all pinned shortcuts and all running programs disappear.  I can't find any options that work.  When I click "Restart explorer", I see them appear before start11 gets involved (I think) then disappear.

 

 

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