Same.

Hmm it just needs some tweaks that is all.

That's not what I'm seeing. The AI do not go to war as much between themselves, which is a good thing imo.

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Sorry to hear that Frogboy.   Wish you would reconsider...

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I haven't noticed that, but I think the AI should be an equal opportunity aggressor.

Frogboy was spending his RL evenings trying to make LH better instead of hanging out with family/friends/whatever pursuing his own interests outside of work.

Ungrateful people told him he wasn't doing a good job.

He doesn't care to spend a lot of his evenings to work on LH if it is just going to result in people saying he is wasting all his time and there is no benefit.

I can see why he would give up on LH in light of those things.

GJ to those of us who helped put the nail in the LH coffin.

Every time I have ever met Resoln when they had more score than me and when I was a good side race they always DOWd me 1 turn later.

I don't take that to mean that the diplomacy system is broken, I just assume that Resoln has some kind of modifier to DOW early.

I have not had the same experience when my opponents have been, say, Krax.  Krax seems not to DOW very early or easily even though they are also a dark side race.

I just kinda assume it is supposed to be that way.

Anyway, it was clear from other threads that Frogboy had about enough of using his personal time on fixing LH.  People like Primal_Savage tried hard to get Frogboy to ignore the people saying Frogboy's effort was wasted in those threads and he kept on.

This just happened to be the straw that broke the camel's back.

It is very unfortunate for all of us that love FELH, but the writing has been on the wall for quite a while now that the effort wasn't going to continue much longer.  Frogboy didn't need many more reasons to quit and he was going to get them sooner or later anyway.  That is the nature of the world.

The lack of further support does sadden me a great deal, but I can't fault his decision to discontinue supporting it.

- Edit - One thing we can do is try to help design a diplomacy system that will do better for the next GalCiv project.  I don't know if Frogboy wants to open source the diplomacy system, but if he could be convinced to then we as a community could put a lot of good effort into that and maybe the next GalCiv will end up with a diplomacy system that is top of the line.  Not that it won't be if Stardock handles it alone, but I do generally think that the more eyes that look at the problem the better the end result tends to be.

In my opinion the system that was recently put in place is a big improvement and can be further tweaked by modders.  I think the effort put forth in 1.5 definitely made a difference.  However, I do find that Reslon is very erratic and declares war on me in every single game, and seems to do so whether they are stronger than me or weaker than me.  Besides Resoln, I find that the other factions behave less erratically.

We have more DLC (And more updates) for FE planned.  I would expect at least a 1.6 and 1.7 to be honest.  For me, the question is what to spend my free time on.  

This Christmas holidays are coming and while other people like to play MMOs or other games I tend to enjoy AI programming instead.  I think LH is at the point of diminishing returns where the AI is pretty smart and pretty clever for most people but those who have truly mastered it are at a level I won't really be able to touch without massive work.

The LH project has been really educational in terms of AI design.  There's a lot of things I would have done differently if I had to do it over again, things I can put into GalCiv.  

I do think nodders could do a lot with the diplomacy. They would just need to modify the values in the XML on things like "we want to bring order" type stuff.  I think those negatives are just too big.

I think broadly speaking, one of the things that should matter a lot more and 1.5 is the first version that looks at this, is the distance between players.  The AI does a lot better when it focuses its armies on a particular players and actively stays out of war with others.  GalCiv II did this. They had a focused enemy and would avoid wars with others.  But that came at the cost of modding (since I hard coded all this).  I think that was a big mistake as data driving everything in the Elemental games made behaviors too generic.

I don't regret the effort in 1.5 to start having the AI behave more intelligently in diplomacy. I think it'll make a big difference for most players.  But I think it's clear that the hard core players won't really benefit from it because nothing short of a wholesale redesign would be sufficient to bring the kind of nuance they're looking for.

In the meantime, LH is still due to get some performance boosts, probably some visual improvements, some UI improvements, balance, and more.

Well, I have noticed in 1.5 that the AI seem to be alot less insane with sole exception of Resoln who actually have appropriate modifier saying I"m insane. with a -1 red modifier I still remember the first time I saw that then lol'd. She once dow'd me when she didn't even have an army ready to rumble in 1.5 and got flattened very early by me because of it. Only had random militia and spiders to protect her towns with. Insane indeed.

I'm glad to know 1.5 isn't the last update because I'm looking forward to new content.   Or even a expansion pack.

Thanks for all your hard work Frogboy. I have to agree that since we have access to the xml we can improve the AI a lot. It will just take a lot of tweaking which the community might be better at anyway.

I've really appreciated the work put into the AI in general, it's made the struggle against the computer controlled factions a lot more epic. Based on my (limited) experience with 1.5 I haven't noticed a massive change with the diplomacy. The AIs still go to war with me in fairly short order after season 100. If my power rating is ok and we are on the same side, then if I can get some treaties going I may be able to get them to positive relations, but otherwise it's pretty hard work. This may reflect however that playing on high difficulty levels my power rating is generally a lot lower than the AIs; they may be other factors (do treaties become more expensive on higher levels?). One thing I have noticed is that the AI seems to be readier to make peace if they're at war with you but in practice they're too far away for there to be any conflict. This is a good thing, the AIs did seem to end up in some pointless wars sometimes. However after they make peace their relations with you tend to be pretty awful, so they tend to declare war on you again in fairly short order.

I'm sure diplomacy could be further improved, however if Frogboy wants to spend his spare time on other things then of course he should do that. Given that improvements to the diplomacy from this point are unlikely to sell more copies of LH, then of course he should only be doing it if he enjoys it. If the framework is setup correctly then modders should be able to spend as many hours as they want to, for free, to improve this. If someone really gets somewhere then maybe Stardock can look at implementing some of their ideas in a future patch.

I'm probably coming to the end of my time on Legendary Heroes for the time being myself. Given that I've spent most of this year on Elemental (since I bought Fallen Enchantress), probably 500 hours of game play, I certainly feel I've got my money's worth. I'll finish my current Dead game, at which point I'll have completed with all the standard factions, and it's probably time for something else.

At least until an expansion or a good mod comes along. 

Yes please work on GC3 that should be a prority it has been too long since we had GC game.  Besides Diplomancy in Elemental is a bust anyway. Just please don't use the Diplomancy system that you have in Elemental in GA3.