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Is this where the U.S. is headed with Obamacare?

Is this where the U.S. is headed with Obamacare?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1298960/Woman-25-dying-blood-poisoning-texted-photos-deadly-rash-mother-doctors-ignored-her.html#ixzz0vCP3fK1E

Woman chronicled her own death from meningitis in phone pictures as doctors told her spreading rash was only a 'minor infection'

"The inquest heard there were only two doctors on duty to cover the entire hospital the night she died last November."

 

There is already a shortage of primary care doctors, and it seems likely to get much worse in the next decade. It just doesn't pay, anymore, to be one.

How much worse will it get if we start to lose ER doctors, and entire hospitals for that matter, because of the mandates and restrictions imposed by this ill-conceived health care (sorry, insurance) law?

It needs to be repealed before it does permanent damage.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/7920136/EU-rules-are-making-our-doctors-lazy-clock-watchers.html 

 

 

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Reply #76 Top

Of course they can, you're just being disagreeable.

 

Everyone can agree on getting rid of that infernal sun, right?  The damned thing is baking us to death the last few weeks.

Reply #77 Top

Quoting psychoak, reply 74
I like flame wars and I'm mourning the lack of it, not mistaking the expression.

oh ok...fuck you, you right-wing sonofabitch! :D

Reply #78 Top

Quoting admiralrain, reply 75
people just cant agree on things... 

This is what happens when two former british prison colonies get on the web to chat...

Reply #79 Top

Everyone can agree on getting rid of that infernal sun, right? The damned thing is baking us to death the last few weeks.

Not really.

We here in sunny southern California have been enjoying (or not, depending on your point of view) the nearest coolest summer on record. It has been very pleasant. A very few very warm days, a little more rain than usual. But overall it has seemed more like spring or fall than summer.

 

All things balance out, after all. Like tomatoes and tomatoes, potatoes and potahtoes... (inflections intimated).

I doubt that the localized area extremes will add to or subtract from all that much to the whole 'global warming' debate, any more than the extreme solar minimum that we are just now coming out of. It is just another day in the universe of possibilities that we live with every day of our lives.

Reply #80 Top

DarkKnight2008 Reply #78

This is what happens when two former british prison colonies get on the web to chat...

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:P

 

My quote button doesn't work... 

Reply #81 Top

No matter what happens, the entitlement-crazed citizens of our formerly-great nation will piss and moan that they aren't getting their "fair share". Someone, somewhere, will ALWAYS have more stuff than they do, or make more money, or make better life decisions. They can't stand that, thus they continue to take and take and take, all with the complicity of corrupt politicians and apathetic voters.

Nonetheless, the democRATic party is DOOMED this November. Sure, they'll be back. Like a bad skin condition, they always are. But it will be fun to watch them desperately grasp for someone besides themselves to blame.

Reply #82 Top

Quoting TheDarkKnight2008, reply 78

This is what happens when two former british prison colonies get on the web to chat...

The colonies in North America were never penal colonies.

Screw you, Australia! :P

Reply #83 Top

Snarkotamus Reply #81

Nonetheless, the democratic party is doomed this November. Sure, they'll be back. Like a bad skin condition, they always are. But it will be fun to watch them desperately grasp for someone besides themselves to blame.

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Like a bad skin condition - Such a sophisticated simile

But it will be fun to watch them desperately grasp for someone besides themselves to blame. - No comment  :P

 

Yours truly,

      Admiral Rain

Reply #84 Top

Well, I was being polite. I thought it might offend their delicate sensitivities if I said they are like a festering, non-healing boil in an embarrassing personal area.

 

Reply #85 Top

Quoting SpardaSon21, reply 82



Quoting TheDarkKnight2008,
reply 78

This is what happens when two former british prison colonies get on the web to chat...


The colonies in North America were never penal colonies.

Screw you, Australia!
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What are you talking about? Half the reason Australia was colonised was because the brits could no longer send their prisoners to the north America.

 

Reply #86 Top

The Aussie wasn't being criticized similarly because the Aussie wasn't pontificating on American health care.

Um, so NO AUSSIES have posted on this blog?  Seems those 3 fingers are doing over time in your case.

Reply #87 Top

Because I was including a TV program on free-to-air television, to illustrate the effect of US hegemony on other countries. can you name an aussie news program you get on free tv? i doubt it. i certainly enjoy drudge but i admit im not familiar with CNS or breitbart (as far as i know, may have read in passing). i don't take an issue with the sources, i'll look at just about anything like i said.

-Raistlin-, thank you for the explanation and honesty.  Yes, we do not have any Aussie channels over here (we get an Americanized version of the BBC), which is a real shame.  I for one miss the Aussie Football (ESPN carried it in their early days)

 

Reply #88 Top

Quoting SpardaSon21, reply 82
The colonies in North America were never penal colonies.

Quoting -RAISTLIN-, reply 85
What are you talking about? Half the reason Australia was colonised was because the brits could no longer send their prisoners to the north America.

Game, set and Match to Raistlin!  yes, Georgia was a Penal Colony before we kicked the English out.  Some would also claim the same for Maryland (since it was settled by Catholics - persona non-Grata in England at the time).

Reply #89 Top

Quoting Dr, reply 87

Because I was including a TV program on free-to-air television, to illustrate the effect of US hegemony on other countries. can you name an aussie news program you get on free tv? i doubt it. i certainly enjoy drudge but i admit im not familiar with CNS or breitbart (as far as i know, may have read in passing). i don't take an issue with the sources, i'll look at just about anything like i said.
-Raistlin-, thank you for the explanation and honesty.  Yes, we do not have any Aussie channels over here (we get an Americanized version of the BBC), which is a real shame.  I for one miss the Aussie Football (ESPN carried it in their early days)

 

Often wrong, sometimes right, always honest! I know that its so hard to get an accurate picture of anything if you don't pay attention to a wide range of viewpoints. That said, I won't read nonsense like prisonplanet ;) I do tend to stray away from editorial pieces that use too many emotional "buzzwords" however.

Hehe, I read that ESPN was carrying some AFL games. Consider yourself lucky, the poor guys in the west of our country miss out on games because they're really parochial over there, and only get Western Australian team games on TV. Do you follow a team?

I'm a greenbay packers fan, as I always used them when playing madden, hehe. Such a great sport, wish it got more air time in Oz. being a GB fan i do enjoy favre's yearly retirement nonsense, haha.

Reply #90 Top

Do you follow a team?

No.  I did many years ago, but today, I have to search so much for any game, that just watching one is fun enough,.

Reply #91 Top

Reply #84 Snarkotamus

Well, I was being polite. I thought it might offend their delicate sensitivities if I said they are like a festering, non-healing boil in an embarrassing personal area.

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  #81 Snarkotamus

the democRATic party is DOOMED

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Very polite i must say.

I am sorry, i just wanna get a few more posts in before this is locked  O:)

 

Yours truly,

     Admiral Rain

Reply #92 Top

Quoting admiralrain, reply 91
Reply #84 Snarkotamus

Very polite i must say.

Yours truly,

     Admiral Rain

Thanks! I really HAVE tried to tone it down a bit lately, you know. No reason to add any more stress to the lives of those simpering leftists who sense the impending catastrophe on the horizon. They're already stressed enough deciding which leftist faction to support in the "who gets the biggest piece of the pie" infighting.

Reply #93 Top

The only feeling from us that overides shock/sadness for Americans who have to pay a large annual fee and thousands of dollars for operations and generally to stay alive is ROFL/more shock when we see Americans protesting free(ish) health care, just to spite an opposition party.

Are there any Americans who seriously believe this system is going to bring the Apocalypse?

Doesn't help your stereotype, guys.

Reply #94 Top

when we see Americans protesting free(ish) health care,

That is what makes your comment so stupid.  regardless of the system, Canada, England, Australia, France - or the US - none of them are free.  Not even ish.

Reply #95 Top

Quoting Dr, reply 94

when we see Americans protesting free(ish) health care,


That is what makes your comment so stupid.  regardless of the system, Canada, England, Australia, France - or the US - none of them are free.  Not even ish.

Wrong.

Troll defeated.

Reply #96 Top

Are there any Americans who seriously believe this system is going to bring the Apocalypse?

 

Apocalypse is a little strong of a word.  If you asked if it was going to cripple us economically, set us back 20 years, make 20% unemployment normal, and cripple the health care industry, I'd say we're already getting there just fine with Medicare.  Bush's Part D expansion is just the latest straw crushing the service side of the industry.  Just because you don't bother to educate yourself beyond the sob stories doesn't mean you aren't going down the swirly with the rest of us.  The lever was already dropped a long time ago.

 

Instead of letting shock and sadness rot your ability to observe and rationalize your settings, actually look at the system you're in, and how you got there.

 

The insurance industry you pay through the nose to partake of was created by government regulations.  All that nonsense you don't need but pay for anyway is mandated by multiple tier regulations all across the country.  Your inability to afford your own choice insurance policy is aided by mandates and tax breaks that force you to get insurance through your employer.  IfI can make a killing selling a thousand policies to one entity as a tax deduction, why would I give a shit about you?  If your employer is the one paying for it, how much are you going to care about how much you're spending? 

 

In some states, you get to pay for Viagra, cosmetic surgery, sex changes, all kinds of twisted shit you shouldn't be forced to purchase coverage for.  In a lot of states, you don't even have insurance to begin with.  You have prepaid medical.

 

It stands to reason that paying someone else to pay a bill is going to come with a premium, yes?  Why then would you want to buy "insurance" to pay your bills?  Insurance is for the car accident, not the oil change.

 

If we kill all the fucking lawyers, everyone gets life long catastrophic coverage policies and pays their own damn bill when they go to a doctor for a checkup, you could cut primary care costs in half overnight.

 

It doesn't cost a doctor sixty bucks to feel your throat up, look at it, and tell you you've got strep.  It costs sixty bucks to pay for the insurance your litigious asshole country has made him need, the two secretaries he needs to give your insurance company shit over paying a bill that should have been a momentary cash exchange, and all the Medicare patients he sees that are reimbursing him for half that while costing just as much.  Then there's defensive medicine, all those tests they like to run that have fuck all to do with whether or not the simple answer to a simple problem is easily verified, and everything to do with making sure you can't sue them if you're too stupid to go back in a few days when the antibiotics for your rash aren't working because it's really lyme disease.

 

edit:

Wrong.

Troll defeated.

 

Sure, because taxes are a figment of his imagination and you don't actually pay for government programs...

Reply #97 Top

Quoting Ozzy38, reply 95

Quoting Dr Guy, reply 94
when we see Americans protesting free(ish) health care,


That is what makes your comment so stupid.  regardless of the system, Canada, England, Australia, France - or the US - none of them are free.  Not even ish.

Wrong.

Troll defeated.

You can call a turnip a watermelon. That does not make me a troll or you smart.  But your comments do indicate your level of comprehension and intelligence.

Reply #98 Top

Turnips are good chopped up and cooked in their own greens.

Reply #99 Top

What it comes down to is whether government run healthcare would be cheaper.

It should be for this reason....

In the private system you have insurance companies that want to earn a profit.  The private run hospital wants to earn a profit as well.

If it is all done by the government it is done as nonprofit which means you cut out 2 profit margins making the cost for the consumer needing the healthcare cheaper.

If it is shown to cost more somewhere in a government run system then someone in that system is swiping the cash.