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Join Date 05/2003

So about that Gamers Bill of Rights

When did “2. Gamers shall have the right to demand that games be released in a finished state.”

turn into "2. Gamers shall have the right that games they purchase shall function as designed without technical defects that would materially affect the player experience. This determination shall be made by the player."

I'm assuming the edit came along to coincide with the release of Elemental, not that the edited version does Elemental any favours, but I'd really like to hear what happened.

I just want to know what stance Stardock has on the Gamers Bill of Rights, under what terms they can be edited, and how Stardock feels about trying to live up to them, because the Elemental launch hasn't been kind to them.

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I would guess that the 2nd defines 'finished' better, or at least what SD means by 'finished'.

Because 'finished' just got finished being taken out back and severely beaten...

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I haven't played for too long, but aside from a few graphical bugs I feel the game is extremely well done and very well polished.

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A) The edit came out long before the release of Elemental. I don't know when the last line was added, but here is an article showing part of the change back in 2008. http://www.1up.com/news/stardock-updates-gamers-bill-rights

Stardock (or at least Brad) believes the game to be "finished" and so do a lot of other people. The problem is they get overwhelmed by everyone else because they're usually playing/enjoying the game.

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Play some more.

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/beat dead horse

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And when did a right to demand something turn into a right to actually be listened to?

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Quoting Nessin,

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Stardock (or at least Brad) believes the game to be "finished" and so do a lot of other people. The problem is they get overwhelmed by everyone else because they're usually playing/enjoying the game.

Or, conversely, there will always be a small fraction who will enjoy any game. I'll say this though, to claim that the version Stardock released of Elemental to stores was considered to be finished by Stardock is simply laughable. Even if it was feature complete, which is hard to claim with the UI still being adressed let alone all the other fixes being applied, the crash bugs alone should make any gamer call for more time in QA.

Quoting Archonsod,

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And when did a right to demand something turn into a right to actually be listened to?

If Stardock puts out a Bill of Rights then I expect them to try and honor it. Stardock put it out there, not me. I'd really like to know how they dealt with the Bill of Rights during development.

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Why is it, regardless of what bill of rights it is, it's always the second amendment people think it's okay to trample over?

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Quoting Clawdius_Talonious,

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Why is it, regardless of what bill of rights it is, it's always the second amendment people think it's okay to trample over?

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When did “2. Gamers shall have the right to demand that games be released in a finished state.”

turn into "2. Gamers shall have the right that games they purchase shall function as designed without technical defects that would materially affect the player experience. This determination shall be made by the player."

I'm assuming the edit came along to coincide with the release of Elemental, not that the edited version does Elemental any favours, but I'd really like to hear what happened.

I just want to know what stance Stardock has on the Gamers Bill of Rights, under what terms they can be edited, and how Stardock feels about trying to live up to them, because the Elemental launch hasn't been kind to them.

Email Stardock and they will give you your money back if you have a problem.

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