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pacov's League of Legends general discussion thread - strategies, etc #3

pacov's League of Legends general discussion thread - strategies, etc #3

Update 5/25/2017

  • This thread is all done.  I've lost interest in jibba jibbing here, but its been fun.  Thanks for all the memories.  
  • I am streaming from time to time on twitch - generally just when I'm trying hard in ranked though.  If interested, you can check that out here:  https://www.twitch.tv/pacovdumptruck
 

Well, I started a thread back in Dec 2011 that’s seen a lot of activity (some 922,000 views over the course of a few years apparently...).  That thread had a good deal of tips/strategies/discussions about League of Legends from new and old players alike.  You can find the previous thread (now archived) here:  https://forums.joeuser.com/413863.  I think its time to start fresh with a new thread.

What’s this thread all about?
For those that followed the previous thread, the type of content you see here will be fairly consistent to what you are used to.  Please consider this a place to discuss LoL related content as you like.  I'll do the same and treat the thread as a blog as well where I talk about what’s going on with me in LoL.  Feel free to jump in and join the discussion if you like.

Quick background on me
I played a lot of Demigod as pacov/cheesuscrust. Back in August 2011, I started getting heavily involved in League of Legends, and folks from the community were kind enough to help me figure things out.  I play LoL most nights, stream, make videos and it’s my main gaming interest.

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Reply #2651 Top

Quoting pacov, reply 2648

3rd game mixed results - tend to lean towards we had dummos on team.  Loss.

Was that the game you went against Vlad?  I watched some of that before dinner and hope you don't mind some suggestions.

Runes - The Master Tier guy who wrote the guide I linked likes to use flat Health runes while you went with the standard mid choice which are scaling.  I think he likes the flat ones because Zyra has great early harass but is extremely squishy.  Might wanna try that out and see if it helps you feel more comfortable taking advantage of weak early game champions like Vlad a little more.

Masteries - I think you accidentally used your Support Zyra Masteries?  If not, I'd suggest you switch to the ones the guide suggested.  Savagery should help for your last hitting that you said you had issues with and Dangerous Game would probably be better for a solo lane than Bandit.  I also think Merciless>Meditation in most situations.

Maybe try harder to get an auto in on your opponent right after using the QW combo.  Seemed like you were skipping the auto a lot which is pretty key for the automatic Thunderlord's proc and keeping your plants targeted on the enemy.  I like to queue up an auto attack when I'm out of range which causes me to walk towards the opponent.  When I get close enough I press QW so my auto attack goes off immediately if they try and harass back.

Hopefully some of that helps you carry the 'dummos' next time!

Reply #2652 Top

Thanks for the feedback.  I'm actually trying out quite a few different setups, but sadly, out of my 7 or so games yesterday where I chose mid/support for roles, I only rolled mid once, so I didn't get experiment a bunch with a mid setup.  I did go with an aggressive support setup (yielded mixed results - hyper carry if doing ok, so so if not).

Anyway, let's see.  I actually felt great against the vlad in that one game.  I traded fine with him and actually whooped him just fine until his friends showed up and aramed it up for a long time.  You are right - I went with the scaling health, but I felt pretty comfortable.  That said, the vlad seemed to have a pretty low skill level, so it wasn't much of a threat.  

hm... so, I actually watched that fellas guides a few times.   I'm debating on whether or not to setup specific rune pages for her.  Sadly, I like to specialize A BUNCH, so I'll end up having to blow away some pages to get zyra specific.  Maybe someday dr rito will let me give them more money for additional rune pages.  

Anyway, playing zyra mid is impacting my support zyra game - a bit in a negative way.  Mana usage and harass vary quite a bit.  When supporting, I'd generally use less mana and try to converse for a bigger burst pattern.  As mid, I spam a bit more (not over the top, but more).  But I'm carrying that over to the support role and I don't have quite as much sustain for the early stuff.  

I've been trying with and without the mastery that either gives a % of your mana back added dmg if below 40% hp.  Without the % mana has a huge impact on me at various stages in either role.  The added dmg seems pretty valuable though.

I did ok vs a LB in my one game as mid last night even with my jungler running mid with low hp for no reason to die and give lb dbl buffs 5 min in... 

I think I would have been better off if I had a flat MR setup... so maybe I'll make one of those. My traditional zyra support is actually just a safe support page (mpen, arm, mr, maybe health - can't remember).  That was my only other option for runes vs lb that game.  The lb clearly had some ideas of how to play around the zyra matchup.  She'd dash to an angle then reposition a bunch to try to avoid getting snared by my e.  Anyway, quite a few matchups to learn.  Hoping I don't burn out on her too quickly.  Started to yesterday. 

Quoting Thundercles, reply 2651

Maybe try harder to get an auto in on your opponent right after using the QW combo.  Seemed like you were skipping the auto a lot which is pretty key for the automatic Thunderlord's proc and keeping your plants targeted on the enemy.  I like to queue up an auto attack when I'm out of range which causes me to walk towards the opponent.  When I get close enough I press QW so my auto attack goes off immediately if they try and harass back.

Yeah - I saw that in the guide also - just not used to the motion 100%.  Something to work on for sure. thx

Reply #2653 Top

Quoting pacov, reply 2652

Anyway, playing zyra mid is impacting my support zyra game - a bit in a negative way.  Mana usage and harass vary quite a bit.

A long time ago when I decided for 5 minutes to be a Zyra main, I would use the Spooky Zyra skin for Support and Lava Zyra for Mid to try and keep the styles of play and my capabilities separate in my mind.  It helped a little.  Maybe.

Reply #2654 Top

oh boy.. patch notes indicate that 4k resolution is fixed...

Reply #2655 Top

fyi there is an icon for sale for 1500 ip in the store.

Reply #2656 Top

Another PSA for folks.  Just decided to use this again. It's a LoL page sorter.  It enables you to move your rune and mastery pages (sort them or copy others if you want).  Takes about 2 minutes to setup.  Instructions here.  Still works (used it before and just used it now).

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1iq79d/tool_copy_sort_runemastery_pages/

 

Reply #2657 Top

4k in LoL is still trash.  Not playable, but they did fix one of the 4k issues (HUD font scaling).  Still the tiny health bar issue that renders it unusable . 

Reply #2658 Top

OK - so here's what I think is currently the best in game stat tool around.  Worth a look.

http://www.soloq.gg/

you use it 2 ways.  1 - when you hit the lobby, copy the names (x player joined the room) and paste them into the multi search tab.  This pulls stats so you have an idea of what you have in the lobby.  Once the load screen pops up, hit lookup live game.  It loads a TON of good stats in a very nice interface.  Seems really well done and I think its worth a look.

 

Ranked stuff - I'm 1 and 1.  Both games were kind of a mess.  

  • Game 1 - we have a nice late game comp (amumu/malph/zyra), so Aoe doom pretty much.  Early/mid its a bit of a stomp in the enemy teams favor.  Many well coordinated rotations resulting in 4 man dives, etc. Poor responses from our team and folks just doing some derpy going to go die by myself things. Late game we run 3 back to back aces nd put the game way.  Very rough. One annoying shite ffing over and over that fed the crap out of his lane, but our comp just had too much lockdown and damage late, so we put em away. Yasuos tend to like malph/zyra ults as well.  
  • Game 2 - dynamic queue officially fugs me.  We have a 3 man pre including an intentional feeder and some pretty low skill level folks vs a rengar and some folks with decent skill levels. My adc is pussy.  I set him up for about 3 kills where he only had to do 100 dmg period, but did crap.  He fed and then went afk for the last 15 minutes of the game.  My jungler was a feeding graves that spammed flash every time it was up for giggles and spent the majority of his time feeding and talking to the other team in all chat.  And our other lanes did not do so hot.  Anyway, 1 intentional feeding troll and 1 shitbox that afks for 15 minutes.  No idea why I ended up in game with the shitters, but I did.  Boo.
Reply #2659 Top

So... udyr currently has the highest win rate?  at 55.6%

Reply #2660 Top

There are so many epic hard counters, I'm more annoyed at how utterly hosed people are based on pick order, not so much overall win rate...

Reply #2661 Top

I'm trying to figure out why udyr has bumped up.  Doesn't make much sense to me.  It appears as if the most common build is devourer phoenix.  Very high dmg output without ap... but that's nothing new.  

 

Reply #2662 Top

Well, most champs don't have high durability and an on hit ability kit, including a stun, to go with it.  He's one of the best split pushers, excels at pursuit, and with those two items, will dish out horrendous damage as he procs huge bonuses from phoenix and tiger stance.

Reply #2663 Top

6/3 ranked now

Reply #2665 Top

Gold III.  Still too high elo to play ranked w/ hunny.  

 

trying out blade and soul today

Reply #2666 Top

What's the difference between peter and hunny?

 

Peter has high enough elo that I can invite him to a ranked game.   :moo:

Reply #2667 Top

gold II cov

Reply #2668 Top

in promos now for gold I.

So far i'm digging my win rate as support in s6 ranked. 75% (16 games w/ zyra, 4 w morg).  Good stuff.  And folks seem to be more relaxed about elo and just having fun climbing so far w/ dynamic.  

Reply #2669 Top

Jhin is out now. Thankfully these 5 man games give ludicrous ip atm, 519 for a 33 minute win.

Reply #2670 Top

What's that?  1 less ban available in ranked?  Looking forward to see how that pans out.  On my alt account when I was spamming a few weeks back, I think I got 1k IP for 1 game and then 860 ip a pop or so.  Account had some IP boosts from rito from awhile back.  

Reply #2671 Top

So, still in my promos from gold 2 to 1.   Failed them once or twice yesterday.  Played a few with pete (1 good pete 1, 1 pete lives mid lane and is... linear).  

Then played some with hunny.  Ended up back where I started in promos.  One REALLY nice thing while you are stuck in lower elos.  If you fail your promos once, when you get back there, you need to win 1 less game to get promoted.  So, gold 2 to gold 1, I just need to win 1 game out of 2 to move on up.  Was kind of bummed I didn't get there yesterday though.  Doubt it will be much of a problem.  

Reply #2672 Top

Apparently brands ult is bugged. It just disappears if his target is ablaze which is pretty much always. I noticed this 3 or 4 times while playing him since the jihn patch came out. Thought I was imagining things but there is a reddit post with riot comments on it.

Reply #2674 Top

I'm leaning towards udyr being on the must ban list.  56.7% win rate.  Seem some in ranked... unpleasant.  

 

Sion and panth are way up the win rate tree as well now.  

Reply #2675 Top

Currently sitting with 13 support games and 3 mid games since dynamic queue came setting my primary to mid and secondary to support. I am really frustrated with this. I like support but not every fucking game. Considering swapping my secondary to top lane to increase my frequency of mid lane. Well anyway I will be staying away from ranked when the new AD item comes out next patch. Its absurdly broken and will take over ranked games.