Bad Performance, why????

For some reason i get a really bad framerate in this game no matter what i do. It's mostly just when i'm in normal map mode, cloth map and tacticle battles work just fine, but otherwise its terrible like 20 fps.

here are my specs:

core i5 3320m

8gb dd3 1600

intel hd 4000/gt740m

1 tb hard drive

 

 

I'm running this game at 1080p but my hardware should still be enough to run it well right? even when i lower resolution/graphics settings performance stays the same.

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Reply #1 Top

I am going to blame it on the laptop processor.

 

Works just fine on a 3570k + 6850.

Reply #2 Top

I have a very beefy alienware desktop system and this game lags it pretty bad on a big map.  I'm playing the LH scenario and with the full map revealed its hour glass for 1-2 minutes between every turn.  Guess it just takes alot of processing power as each faction moves their units around the strategic map.  Battles are just as fast as early game, I can scroll around the strategic map very smoothly (unless its not my turn).

Reply #3 Top

Have you upgraded to 1.4?

Reply #4 Top

Yeah i believe so, also i doubt it's my processor. An i5 should be more than enough to run this game at lowest settings, but even when i turn them down its still slow.

Reply #5 Top

The reason I asked if it's 1.4 is that a lot of time was spent improving perf over 1.3.  So definitely check that.

Reply #6 Top

does anyone have any ideas? i really either want to play this game or get my money back. kinda ridiculous.

Reply #7 Top

Your computer has better specs then my laptop and it mine runs just fine. Also 20 fps isnt terrible from a laptop standpoint. How are your power settings configured. I play on high performance plugged into power with a decent fan underneath. 

 

Check your graphic options. Shadows are expensive performance wise on laptops so turn them off. Tinker with the other display options. Also make sure you have 1.4 installed like Frogboy suggested. 

 

This is the specs for my laptop

  1. DirectX Version: DirectX 11
  2. Operating System: Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit (6.1, Build 7601) Service Pack 1 (7601.win7sp1_gdr.130828-1532)
  3. System Model: Aspire V3-571G
  4. Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2370M CPU @ 2.40GHz (4 CPUs), ~2.4GHz
  5. Physical Memory: 4096MB RAM
  6. Page File: 3490MB used, 4372MB available
  7. Card Name: Intel(R) HD Graphics 3000
Reply #8 Top

The biggest drag on performance seems to be the cell shader effect; more-so than shadows.

@Frogboy: I get better performance with 1.4 than 1.4 beta. Something I wasn't expecting.

Reply #9 Top

As in the old days, try to turn off as many programs running in the background as you can. On my pc, that really makes a difference.

Reply #10 Top

how about RAM?

I got 16 ggs everything runs parfect.

Reply #11 Top

You only need enough RAM to prevent your pc from paging.After 8gb you will see diminishing returns for each gb that you spend on RAM. However, if you are the type to multi task applications (I run Excel while I play, itunes, unity3d and monodevelop for side projects) then you can't have enough. 

Reply #12 Top

it's really not any of the basic stuff like update drivers, end other tasks, get more ram, etc. 

i'm pretty sure this is something to do with the software or my switchable graphics and i was wondering if anyone else had this problem before/knew how to fix it

Reply #13 Top

Get GPU-z and see if your 3d card is kicking in when the game launches. You may need to configure it to do the switch.

Reply #14 Top

it looks like it is, i still don't understand why i'm getting such a low framerate, this card should be more than enough to run the game

 

Reply #15 Top

talk to supportstardock.com

Reply #16 Top


The problem lies in your video card for a laptop. Built in integrated video cards end up using the processor anyways so you're bottlenecking with your cpu and gpu. When you play Stardock games you should play on some sort of desktop not a laptop. The games just aren't built for crappy laptops they require more power without bottlenecks. And don't argue with me how it works for other games, this isn't other games as each game is independent of others how they work or run.

Reply #17 Top

i mean i would understand that but it's not an integrated video card, it's a dedicated nvidia gt 740m. If this game doesnt work on any laptops, then it's literally the only game that doesnt work that way. I understand how system requirements work.

Reply #18 Top

Quoting buckZor, reply 2
I have a very beefy alienware desktop system and this game lags it pretty bad on a big map.  I'm playing the LH scenario and with the full map revealed its hour glass for 1-2 minutes between every turn.  Guess it just takes alot of processing power as each faction moves their units around the strategic map.  Battles are just as fast as early game, I can scroll around the strategic map very smoothly (unless its not my turn).

Shows how crappy alienware really is and how a homegrown system is much better. Alienware is made to sell but far from optimized for individual games. I sometimes need to make a graphics adjustment for each individual game and save it in the Catylist control center. I also run an i7 overclocked to 300mhz and a mere 6 gb of ram and my games run flawlessly when they aren't buggy and flawed messes. This game is not buggy or flawed. So I get no lag or slowness of play. With a mere ATI Radeon card Powercolor 5770 HD w 1gb of ram. Learn system optimization beyond what the mfg's tell you and windows you'll be glad you did. Most people don't even know how to set up cards for each individual game. They just pull it out of the box and plug it in and think they know how to optimize a card or system. lol

Reply #19 Top

Quoting teambo100, reply 17
i mean i would understand that but it's not an integrated video card, it's a dedicated nvidia gt 740m. If this game doesnt work on any laptops, then it's literally the only game that doesnt work that way. I understand how system requirements work.

Having an Nvidia card is your 2nd problem. I used to use Nvidia and then I finally moved over to ATI Radeon cards and have never looked back. When games I used to could run stopped working on Nvidia cards and windows or Nividia did nothing about it, it was time to jump ship. A little ole ATI Radeon 5770 HD 1 gb of memory will make all the difference. Also gamers are too eager to rush and buy the biggest and newest of cards and this is not good either. For developers haven't had the years of experience on these newer cards to really make them work as well as say they middle of the road cards or the ones a few years old. I in 30+ years of gaming have never bought into the hype of a new video card. I've always waited and read the sob stories first like the OP. Just proves my point, old is better.

Reply #20 Top

pretty sure you're reading a little too far into this. i actually jumped ship from AMD. The GT740m first of all has more memory than the 5770hd, and as performance isn't really that far behind. It's also not the brand new flashy thing, its based on a chip that's already been around for a while now. It's not my fault that this game won't run properly for buying a new laptop, it's pretty clear that something is wrong with the software thats making this game not work correctly.

Reply #21 Top

Quoting teambo100, reply 20

pretty sure you're reading a little too far into this. i actually jumped ship from AMD. The GT740m first of all has more memory than the 5770hd, and as performance isn't really that far behind. It's also not the brand new flashy thing, its based on a chip that's already been around for a while now. It's not my fault that this game won't run properly for buying a new laptop, it's pretty clear that something is wrong with the software thats making this game not work correctly.

 

Laptops have never been that great for playing any game. If you bought one planning on having 60 fps for everything out there just bring it back. Some games run fine because they don't tax both the video card and the processor at the same time. 4x Strategy games use a ton of processing power compared to other games. And most of these games AI are bottled neck by whichever lowend processor the developer is trying to support. 

Reply #22 Top

Actually, a GT 740M is way behind a 5770 in performance.

http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html

933 vs 1677

That means a 5770 is almost twice as good.  That 5770 is also 2 generations old.  We are on 7770s now and nearly on 8770s.  That makes you 3+ generations behind.

- Edit - I just wanted to throw it out there that a 5770 isn't a real gamer's card.  That is the bare minimum for someone with next to no budget.  That is the sort of level that people get when they use PS3s.  That level of power is a joke for serious PC gamers and yours is at roughly half of that.

Laptops aren't made for gaming and any gaming problem a laptop has is pretty easy to blame on it just being a laptop.

The thing with FE in particular, I am pretty sure I read somewhere that it uses GPGPU to allow the video card (usually equal to 20+ processors) to handle certain tasks.  That obviously only works for new video cards because it wasn't invented until a few years ago and I am pretty sure cute little expansion video cards for laptops wouldn't have it even if they were new.

When GPGPU isn't there, the tasks remain on the processor.  I am going to hazard a guess and say that FE probably isn't even programmed to take advantage of multi-threading.  If it isn't, as I suspect, that would push everything onto your two powered down main laptop processor cores.

If you know as much about system specs as you say you do, you would know that i5 or whatever in a laptop isn't the same as i5 in a desktop and even in a desktop i5 really doesn't say that much about processing power.  The difference in processing power between one sort of i5 and another sort of i5 can be pretty huge.  When Intel calls a laptop processor an i5 what they really mean is that it was designed using available technology when they were making i5 processors for desktops.  That in no way makes a laptop i5 the same as a desktop i5.

It should be pretty easy to tell what is bottlenecking you.  Just load up HWMonitor or something similar and play the game and watch what happens.  Or even just tab out of the game and bring up the task manager.

I can tell you for sure that this game will use up 40% of what my 3570k is capable of putting out.

If you look here  http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php  you will see that a 3570k puts out 7109 processing "units".  Forty percent of that is 2844.  Your processor is at 4110 total "units".  Mine doesn't have Hyper Threading.  My numbers are from real cores, not virtual cores.  Your numbers are using virtual cores.  Those each add about 50% of what another core would add.  So your hyperthreading disabled performance from main cores only is more like 2740.

If it can use 2844 of my "units" and your maximum available "units" are 2740, you do the math.  When you do that math, add in allowances for all the other processes your computer has operational.  While you are doing that math, also don't forget that my video card is a serious desktop card with GPGPU active while yours is a scaled down laptop card with probably about zero GPGPU capability.

ATI vs Nvidia... Games tend to be tuned for one or the other primarily and I really don't know which one FE/LH is tuned for, but the difference can be a decent chunk, but probably not more than 10 or 20% for cards of the same power level.  I would hazard a guess that isn't making a big difference in your case, but it could potentially be kicking you when you are down.  As for newer cards being worse, they tend to be pretty brute force kind of devices.  Aside from stability issues newer is usually better.  If you don't want to crash all the time it's not a horrible idea to stick with older cards that have had more driver testing and bug fixing, but I highly doubt that is the problem here if your video card is 3+ generations old.

If you are going to come in here and ask what your problem is, at least listen to what people are telling you.  Otherwise what is the point?

Reply #23 Top

For the record, I've been successful playing Fallen Enchantress (not LH) which according to Stardock is even less optimized for GPU performance, on a Vostro 1500 laptop with an Nvidia 8400 GPU (granted, with a lot of the graphical options in the game turned way down.)  That machine's half a dozen years old or more.  The above specs for CPU + GPU are much better, so it's not just a "poor hardware" issue.

It seems like it must almost certainly be a configuration issue (probably in the video driver), such that the GPU is not being fully engaged for this game.

Reply #24 Top

I fully agree with Crastiloowa.

I'm running (FE and) FE:LH on my laptop as well. Never had any issues.

My pc is more optimized for games than yours, but it has an ancient graphics card, yours is much better. Your card and the game must really have some issues that need to be solved...

Reply #25 Top

thank you, finally 2 people on this forum that aren't off the fucking deep end. i understand that alot of 4x strategy games tax your processor, but i can literally run every single other 4x game on the market. Fallen enchantress is no exception to this, and i'd even venture as far to say that this game is alot less taxing based on the system requirements: 

Fallen Enchantress* and Fallen Enchantress: Legendary Heroes** require at minimum a PC running Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7, Windows 8 or later. Your video card must have at least 512MB of memory with total system memory of at least 2GB in order to play.

We recommend a 64-bit version of Windows as Elemental: Fallen Enchantress* and Fallen Enchantress: Legendary Heroes** will make use of the extra memory to improve performance.

 

well hmmm, i guess i have all of that. that sort of craps on your theory. Especially since theres several instances in this thread of people saying they've played it with lesser cards. once again i'd like to reiterate that no matter what settings i turn down i get the same framerate.

also, raidinnn, the developers of this game would literally have to be retarded to  make a game that unoptimized or even so processor intensive that it needs a hd 5770 and a desktop processor to run. This is a strategy game we're talking about here, this isn't battlefield 4. I'm not really that dumb when it comes to pc's, so maybe you should listen to what i'm telling you, it's not a hardware issue.

 

either way i submitted a support ticket so that should hopefully get me somewhere