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Microsoft need to get serious about making Operating systems in the future and needs to give me at least 1 good reason to switch from Win 7 which is the best Operating system I've used to something new. With Win 8 I have nothing but reasons NOT to switch. Get serious people.
and that is the same problem that plagued Vista.
It was NOT the fault of the OS, but rather the manufacturer's failure to produce drivers.
Although depending on the age of the product in question, they may not make any drivers for it anymore.
If you are unlucky and have to stay with the new OS you can just spend several hundred € for new hardware, too.
Now, that makes upgrading a really great idea. 
and that is the hardware manufacturer's way of forcing you to buy new hardware. Not the fault of the OS manufacturer at all.
I see it all the time with various software vendors that require Java. The assholes refuse to update their product to be able to use a newer version of Java. They either want you to buy an updated version of their software or simply don't want to update what they do have. Yet another required application on the same pc requires a higher version of Java to operate.
I liked Vista and I thought it had a lot of problems. Even long after SP1 it was very glitchy (forgetting folder settings, among other things) and I think some of it persisted even after SP2 (though that cleaned up most of it IIRC.)
That's why people were so happy with 7 IMO, even though its only real claim to fame was being more efficient and slightly less annoying.
I liked Vista as well... and once SP1 resolved the folder 'copy/move' issues I was pretty much happy with its performance. Let's just say that I had very few, if any real issues with it after SP1. I have Vista Home Premium SP2 x64 on a 'visitors machine' and it runs like a dream. Occasionally I have a dabble on it and keep it updated, etc... though if my little bird is correct it will lose support mid-2013, meaning I'll disconnect it from the net and just use it as an in-house entertainment hub.
Oh, and another reason Win 7 sux bilge water... I has ter go upstairs if'n I want ta use it. 
Your little bird needs a fact check http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/products/lifecycle
Maybe so, but he was/is a Microsoft employee, and and maybe things have since changed with the release of Windows 8 and its slow uptake.
One thing I do know, we cannot purchase it here in Australia anymore, and Win 7 has become rarer than hens teeth since Win 8 hit the shelves. Major retailers don't/can't stock it, and while some smaller PC stores may have a copy or two laying around, even those are far and few between and often quite high in price. Now that was the premise of my question to the MS employee, why was this so, and that was his response to me, that primary support would end mid-2013 for XP and late 2013 for Vista, to free up resources for future development.
Starkers....anything in conflict with the info linked in #256 is either wrong or covered by an NDA....AND wrong....;)
An MS 'Employee' out-in-the-sticks [Australia] would be unlikely to be privy to anything beyond the formal stance as listed.
A sales-rep has no other purpose/function other than to increase sales [his success] so there is going to be a self-imposed fudging of any reality in order to steer someone towards a new sale/upgrade.
Treat any comments from sales people as dubious at best.
Goes for any industry....;)
As stated earlier, the person I spoke with was from the US, here to work with/assess various aspects of the Australian market. I can't vouch for the veracity of his comments, but that's what he said.
Anyhow, Win 8 is still the better OS... so I don't care if the others go away [support-wise]
No, but it did change BEFORE Windows 8. I believe the original plan was 2013, but that changed since the contrast between XP and Vistas support end date was ridiculous.
no changes since at least October 2010 
the only thing that has changed is that consumer versions qualify for extendend support as well.
Ah, Jafo, memories. Altering the DOS prompt in form and color was fun also.
PROMPT $P$G$E[37m
Exactly my thoughts. Do i have such large clumsy fingers or is everyone born now with specially adapted piano player hands? It takes me ages to surf on a thing like that. Either you can't read what's on it without a magnifier or you need to constantly zoom in/out. And let's not even begin with site incompatibilities. Using it outside in the sun is totally impossible even at brightest battery draining display.
The likelyhood i'll do an excel spreadsheet on them is zero, writing a document more then 140 chars is a daunting task, etc etc.
The only way it could work is if the screen was 17" minimum and had a proper keyboard. Oh wait, we have those. Laptops.
Petrossa's 1st law of technology: Not all progress is an improvement.
And that happened in 2012.
clearly they forgot to update the top of the page
This is the second time you reference 'piano players' in this thread. Maybe you missed my first reply to the first 'piano players' reference back on page 7 (reply #163) so here is the gist of it again.......
While you may be 'used to' a PC, this generation is increasingly not so. They are in fact 'used to' phones/tablets by now. My children (all grown already) can text and surf for webpages on their mobile devices just as fast (if not faster) than anyone else can on a PC. Fact of life these days....
Life's 1st law of life: Those not in forward motion get left behind.
I see no point in debating/arguing the 'supposed' end of support dates. Clearly Micrsoft is disappointed in the slow uptake of Windows 8 and is seeking solutions to migrate as many people as possible over to the new system. The heavily discounted pricing didn't work - and MS wants more Win 8 users to reduce its support load - so if a second attempt at discount pricing fails mid-2013, then MS may just be forced to employ heavier-handed measures.
Perhaps 'my little bird' wasn't too far off the mark after all. 
I have no idea what there is to argue. People were annoyed that XP got special treatment, MS fixed it. There's not much to discuss.
http://www.neowin.net/news/windows-vista-consumer-support-extended-to-2017
2012. I could find many more articles from 2012 saying the same thing if you like.
I guess that's one of the reasons why I made sure all my latest hardware could run OS X on Multibeast. This way if MS becomes heavy handed insisting on my use of an OS that I dislike I have other options.
I've never used OS-X so I have no idea what it's like, but from what I can ascertain, I'd be able to run it on my rig if I were to purchase a copy.
Thing is, how does one go about doing that.... isn't Apple highly protective of its OS, and where it goes? Like does'nt one have to provide evidence of ownership of an Apple PC to eligible to purchase OS-X? I ask because I have no idea. Like the last time I made tentative enquires into getting an iMac at an Apple store, I did ask about purchasing just an OS, and was told no, I couldn't.
you think MS is going to end support for Windows Vista/7 earlier if people don't buy Windows 8?
completely alienating existing customers ... brilliant idea from a business perspective. if you really believe that it would be smart to invest every single dollar you have in Red Hat stock right now.
And if they are happy with their mobile phone..... why bother buying a PC at all? You dont use your car the way you use your computer... and so why should I use my computer like a phone?
Believe in Mircosofts marketing all you want.... a mobile phone GUI on a desktop operating system is downright stupid.
As far leaving behind.... this is such a PATHETIC argument.... we speak about an OS here.... not some treck in the wild west. And there is very little consequence in avoiding Win 8 all together. In fact, bad sales may make MS revert back to common sense.
It is clear to me that you have not the slighest idea in the world how economy works....
The CUSTOMER.... and NOT THE COMPANY chooses what is done.... and what product is the future.
So, if Microsoft uses your "Heavier handed measures" it may soon find out that the customer is capable of much more severe measures. And unlike Microsoft the customer can do this as long as he wants.
Actually, with the current quite unimpressive scale of sales, there is a descent change that support for Windows 7 is extended even further.
You are dearly mistaken, to believe that Microsoft can force something onto people and companies that said people and companies dont want. Welcome to the free market. If your product sucks, you improve it... or leave the market.
Which might not be too bad after all.... I dont think anyone would miss Microsoft..... besides.... even a market share drop down to 30 % would wo wonders to the OS market..... and would place them to the place where they belong.
I dont see companies moving to Windows 8 any time soon.... as for them... there is no advantage..... only cost and high loss of productivity until people learn to use the retarded GUI. Similar to most end users.
You wouldn't be able to run it. OSX is coded to only run on Apple hardware. There is a way to run OSX on non-Apple hardware but it involves hacks and runarounds to do so.
I read in a magazine that if your hardware is reasonably modern and your specs are decent, OS-X will run on a regular PC with a Bootcamp type program. It was a while ago now and I'll have to look up the article again, but it said that the program performs all the necessary actions to run OS-X on a PC.
Bootcamp is a program that allows Windows 7 to run an Apple hardware, not the other way around.
You can use Multibeast to run it... http://tonymacx86.blogspot.com/2010/02/multibeast-ultimate-post-installation.html
But why would you be interested in such issues Starkers? You will be using whatever Microsoft creates and you will be praying that they cut off all support to us knuckle dragging bitter clingers who refuse to adapt.
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