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Soase Weebly gone and hacked?!?

Soase Weebly gone and hacked?!?

Well, the SoaSE Weebly site redirects to soase.x90x.net now.

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Reply #26 Top

Thanks for the info kryo. While I respect and trust your analysis, I firmly believe that if there was a reaction, there was something to cause it. Sometimes things said can be very demeaning, especially when shared publicly. Moderators tend to have that trait - it is both how they maintain order (weeding out unnatural conversations given site context) and it is also their downfall in that they truly believe themselves of ordain authority to dismiss anyone or anything they feel like dismissing. And that can be quite rude.

Anyways, from one of the posts above, it sounds like some of the "doodoo" was thrown by private messages.

Reply #27 Top

When politics are involved, people can tend to get over-invested in the discussion and see malice where there is none. That's part of the reason we discourage such posts in the first place.

Reply #28 Top

A good case in point. I for instance, may find malice in the fact that you disregard my posts noting the validity in causality - results are subject to causes. And yet I am being told such is not true, when it most clearly is. Only when you attempt to diagnose  insanity, or quantum mechanics, is such not true. And given his track record in the community, I highly doubt Mr. Weebly has gone insane or realized his particles-of-being occupy two places at once, as it were.

Is it normal for Stardock moderators to dismiss points made, on the premise that they believe themselves so right that all others must be wrong? And I say the above and ask the latter purely in hypothetical curiosity, with all due respect, given the circumstance and topic of discussion.

Reply #29 Top

I can't speak to the precise content of the specific private discussions in question here, but (and this is a general statement only) when you deal with these sorts of things you find very quickly that if someone has already made up their mind that they've been wronged, regardless whether truly or not, they will take offense at even the most politely worded response if it's anything other than an acquiescence to their demands. And that is before bringing in a subject like politics, where even otherwise reasonable people can become unreasonable.

There was no evidence of misapplication of moderator privileges in regards to public forum postings, so absent full access to private discussions which I am not (nor should be) privy to, I'm inclined to believe the incident proceeded as experience shows similar cases tend to do. Regardless whether the moderator in question handled the private discussions softly or bluntly, the posts were moved in accordance with forum policy and would not be moved back, so the outcome would likely have been the same either way.

Reply #30 Top

kyro, thank you for the further information regarding this mess.

harpo

 

Reply #31 Top

agreed, thank you very much for your replies on this topic. I also appreciate your cordiality, which is truly noteworthy given the subject matter and overly direct questions.

Unfortunately, many tutorials and guides were held by a sole individual. Maybe one day he will return :)

Reply #32 Top

Quoting swucskdl, reply 32
agreed, thank you very much for your replies on this topic. I also appreciate your cordiality, which is truly noteworthy given the subject matter and overly direct questions.

Unfortunately, many tutorials and guides were held by a sole individual. Maybe one day he will return

http://soase.x90x.net/

Reply #33 Top

Quoting ZombiesRus5, reply 33

Quoting swucskdl, reply 32agreed, thank you very much for your replies on this topic. I also appreciate your cordiality, which is truly noteworthy given the subject matter and overly direct questions.

Unfortunately, many tutorials and guides were held by a sole individual. Maybe one day he will return

http://soase.x90x.net/[/quote]

are you taunting us? lol :P

Site is still down for me.

 

Re: Ryat - Hmmm.. must be my DNS down here in the southern hemisphere. Great to hear it's back up, now I can get back to work :D :D 

Reply #34 Top

Odd. Just tried the link and it works fine for me.

Reply #35 Top

Quoting Ryat, reply 35
Odd. Just tried the link and it works fine for me.

 

Works for me here as well.

Reply #36 Top

Quoting kryo, reply 26
The site author had made some political posts in general/off-topic forums which were relocated to more appropriate categories as we regularly do with such threads when they appear (per forum rules). He took it personally and it culminated in his removing the content from his site as protest. I saw no evidence of foul play or abuse when I looked into it.

FBI proposing laws? 

CISPA: your privacy and rights. 

Well, just don’t act surprised. Where’d I put the tar and feathers?

 That's a funny looking pic of a personal computer

Recent, ALL POLITICAL, posted by a moderator in personal computing

 

Never had an issue with moving a post, just the attitude behind it.

The liberty Judge has been axed was moved

my reply after digging for half an hour to see if it was deleted...

Quoting myfist0, reply 11
LOL - Dumped to the forum section no one visits  

now myfist0 has been axed ...   figures

 

 

my responce

Quoting Jafo, reply 12

No, Frogboy specifically required NO POLITICAL threads in the 'everything else' forum.

If you wish to debate his determination...feel free.

I'll be here to pick up the pieces...

 

Should obviously read 

 NO POLITICAL threads in the 'everything else' forum. UNLESS POSTED BY A MOD OR A MOD AGREES,

because it seemed to me, there was a political thread in everything else almost every day.

 

EDIT

Quoting GW, reply 15
I've always supported the notion of flame-war avoidance, but I've never been able to convince anyone in inner Stardockia that everything is political. There's no way to manage an online forum without making judgment calls, and there's no way to make a judgment call that is purely objective. But one reason policies get written is to simplify the work of line-level employees working with the public every day. Unfortunately, policies sometimes rely on very irrational assumptions or assertions, such as the idea that there is a clear boundary between "political" discussions and all other discussions. 

You can have an objective formula for synthesizing ammonia, but you can't have an objective formula for sorting public speech as either Political or Not Political. I'm glad that Stardock mods can wield the ban hammer when necessary, but I really hope they'll one day give up the sloppy category parts of their good manners policies and get more direct about the fact that most regulars around here value both civility and freewheeling conversation.
To me, the renaming to Everything Else positively begs for such a change in the background policies. Otherwise, it should be called Everything Else, Except Stuff That We Think Is Too Political. 

 

New I read this somewhere

Quoting kryo, reply 111

It's been my impression that I have been allowed to keep these two threads running in this forum mainly because I've been able to keep the flaming to a minimum. 

More or less. Since you've kept it pretty up-front (last I checked in on your thread) that you mainly just want to discuss with those of like mind, and nobody has complained about it, it's stayed under the radar.

Aroddo on the other hand (despite any claims he may make to the contrary) is largely just out to get a rise out of people he disagrees with. And those sorts of threads aren't going to fly.

It may be a subtle difference, but it's there all the same.

 

Also read that as long as they stay civil, they should be OK and everyone in my threads always are.

Reply #37 Top

I agree Myfist, sadly unbiased treatment of political content isn't a guaranteed right of these private forums. I think we'd be better of not discussing them at all. It would be nice if I could chose to only see threads from the Sins forums, or other game forums only, but such is life.

Reply #38 Top

A few points.

- Doc is a volunteer WinCustomize moderator, not a Stardock employee. Outside WC, he is a normal user and has no special powers or privileges.

- Those posts are in the Personal Computing category, not the general Off Topic category, and they discuss laws and government action as regards computers and the internet in general. Which is reasonably appropriate; there is no Politics - Internet category.

- It's also important to note that the forum category hierarchy differs from site to site. On JU and WC, Personal Computing is a root category of its own. On Sins, it's under "Life the Universe and Everything" with the OT category as a sibling. On GC2 and Elemental, it's under the OT category (now "Everything Else"). And the hierarchies can change at any time at Brad's choosing.

- Because of this, it should be clear that the posted no-politics policies are intended to apply to the specific general off topic categories they are posted in. IIRC your post was in one of these such categories, which leads to...

Quoting myfist0, reply 37
Also read that as long as they stay civil, they should be OK and everyone in my threads always are.

- I vaguely recall however they did generate complaints from people who did not post, which is another important point.

 

Reply #39 Top

I'm surprised this thread has come back alive.

As for politics, I think that it's better to not discuss on the Internet.