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Fallen Enchantress: Weapons

Fallen Enchantress: Weapons

There are currently 124 weapons in Fallen Enchantress including 17 base weapons.  The base weapons are the normal weapons you will encounter and equip your armies with.  One of our design goals for FE was to make every weapon valuable and distinct.  So there is a reason you may want to use a broad sword instead of a mace, or a spear instead of a dagger.

To accomplish that we needed to add more depth to weapons, they needed to be differentiated by more than their attack rating.  The following table is the weapon stat spreadsheet in the editor (where it breaks down the base weapons so I can compare and tweak numbers).  There is a lot of new information in this sheet.  But the primary information I wanted to show is the stats on the comparisons on the individual weapons.

Type- This is the damage type of this weapon.  Armor has the ability to have different defense values against different damage types.  Plate mail is better against blunt weapons and chain mail is better against cutting weapons.  The elemental types are also damage types so magical weapons can do fire, lighting, cold or poison damage, and magical armor or items can provide defense against those attacks.

Armor Piercing- This means that they negate 2/3 of the opponent’s defense (spears, pikes and yew longbows).  They are excellent against heavily armored opponents.

Strength Mod- This is a modifier to the amount of unit’s strength bonus.  100 means it doubles their strength bonus (the massive Maul is deadly in the hands of Trog units).  Shortbow’s negate the strength bonus entirely (you don’t get to use your strength bonus when using a bow).

Production- How much production time the weapon adds to the units train time.  Improvements can decrease this time (having a weaponsmith in the city) and are a good idea when you are considering building large groups of units with advanced weapons.

Weight- Weight limits are used in FE.  This is the big reason why you don’t simply want to put the best armor and weapons on all your units.  At some point you will have to decide if you want that huge maul or tower shield or full suit of plate mail.  Especially if you are playing as the Wraiths (base stats are faction specific in FE, so the Trogs can get away with more equipment than other races).  Mounts also increase a units carry capacity so another reason you may want to invest in mounts (besides the increased movement) is to be able to use more armor and bigger weapons.  As mentioned in an earlier designer journal you can give traits to units you design, so if you want to make heavily armorer unis with big weapons, prepare to add some traits for strength (as compared to the other cool things you would add with traits, it’s all hard decisions).

Combat Speed- In FE on each combat tick all units get to add their combat speed to their initiative.  When they get to 100 initiative they get an action (this is all behind the scenes, in game players simply see a queue of units in the order they get actions).  The higher the combat speed the more frequently the unit gets to act, and it allows us to be more granular about creature speed.  The base speed is 12, but weapons can affect speed so that a unit with a dagger will get more (ie: if you are a heavy spell caster, carry a dagger or a staff, not a Maul).

Those are the base weapons, but that’s only the start.  Now that we have more depth in what weapons can do we can really go wild with them for magical weapons.  We are creating a dangerous world and we need reasons for the players to risk their units exploring it.  One reason is to find magical equipment.

We added Staves that make spell casters more powerful, swords that do lightning damage based on the wielders level, bows that do more damage vs beasts, etc.  We have a unique great sword that is stuck in one of our elemental lords (good luck getting that one).  We have weapons that poison victims they strike, Slag Teeth that are like short swords with increased crit chances, the Druss Blade that ignores armor, etc.

There are common, uncommon, rare and unique weapons.  There are a lot to find and we want players to be discovering new ones as they play and replay the game.  We won’t have Diablo style drop rates (you won’t be swimming in magical equipment).  Instead we want every magical weapon you get to be something special and interesting.  You should have a few to spread around to your champions by the mid to late game, and you can share them with units that can use them best or pile them all on one champion so he becomes even more powerful.

And this is open to modding.  There are a lot of bonuses to give, and they can be impacted by things like the wielders level (as in the sword that does +1 lightning damage per level of the wielder), only have their bonus apply against certain creature types (this is part of the conditional gamemodifier work we did for traits), vs damaged units, vs units with a higher or lower specified stat, etc.

But my favorite ability is that weapons can apply a spell when it strikes an opponent.  This came out of the requirement to be able to have weapons that poison opponents.  Instead of simply applying a poison effect the weapon applies a spell, so we have the capabilities of the entire spell system open to us for what weapons can do (more about all the new spell functionality later).  Weapons can blind opponents they hit, they can weaken them, they can curse them, whatever the modder wants to make a spell to do, the weapon can apply.

So if you started reading this article and thought that 124 weapons was a lot of weapons, it’s only a fraction of what the game can do and the interesting things we can create.

 

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Reply #126 Top

Two handed swords in general also can cut through Plate Mail.

Hand and Half swords (bastard swords) can push into plate mail, bastard swords were more meant for penetration and thrusting instead of slicing, I would know I own a bastard sword and they are quite heavy swords.

Reply #127 Top

I was first a bit dubious about your statement of Hand and Halfers being effective against plate, but wikipedia seems to agree with you. It has some very interesting statements at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plate_armour

"Plate armour was virtually sword-proof. It also protects the wearer well against spear or pike thrusts and provides decent defence against blunt trauma.

"While this armour was effective against cuts or blows, their weak points could be exploited by long tapered swords or other weapons designed for the purpose, such as poleaxes and halberds."

 

I still think normal swords should not get a damage bonus against plate. Big ones, sure, if the already high base damage isn't enough.

Reply #128 Top

BTW I'd like to see crossbows added, lower RoF, no STR/DEX bonus, but better penetration vs armor.

 

 

Reply #129 Top

I want a Unicorn Sword and a Minotaur "trophy" necklace!

Reply #130 Top

Quoting Alstein, reply 128
BTW I'd like to see crossbows added, lower RoF, no STR/DEX bonus, but better penetration vs armor.

 

 

this would be good and it would also fit in the lore of Elemental, if you haven't read the book yet, they have crossbows in there that the Fallen are using against the Kingdom's Knights in one scene

Reply #131 Top

Quoting EternalRequiem, reply 126
Two handed swords in general also can cut through Plate Mail.

That's not true. There is no way to cut through plate armour with a sword, as large as it may be. (That is, contemporary steel medieval swords against contemporary steel plate armour. I don't doubt that a titansteel sword would work against bronze armour.)

Against full plate armour, the only swords that reliably work are those able to pierce through a plate armours weak points, ie. at the joints and the like. Also swords techniques called halfsword (dunno the English name, but you grip the sword with one hand in the middle and one at the hilt, so you can use leverage to disarm, injure or force the other out of balance, ie. more like wrestling then the "traditional" idea of sword fights) with one and a half handers works well.

Pic from the wiki article linked below.

Or one of the best weapons against plate armour (my favourite) the rondell dagger. Easiest way against a knight in full plate, stab him through the visor in the helmet, there is no possibility to protect against that (if you get in reach, that is).

 

Reply #132 Top

I want to auto battle option at every battle

  1. chaneler allow to melee fight [y/n]
  2. allow to cast spell [y/n]
  3. allow to cast max spell level [1-5]

Ooops!  posted wrong thread ...

Reply #133 Top

Quoting Vandenburg, reply 131

Quoting EternalRequiem, reply 126Two handed swords in general also can cut through Plate Mail.

That's not true. There is no way to cut through plate armour with a sword, as large as it may be. (That is, contemporary steel medieval swords against contemporary steel plate armour. I don't doubt that a titansteel sword would work against bronze armour.)

Against full plate armour, the only swords that reliably work are those able to pierce through a plate armours weak points, ie. at the joints and the like. Also swords techniques called halfsword (dunno the English name, but you grip the sword with one hand in the middle and one at the hilt, so you can use leverage to disarm, injure or force the other out of balance, ie. more like wrestling then the "traditional" idea of sword fights) with one and a half handers works well.

Reduced 95%Original 600 x 395

Pic from the wiki article linked below.

Or one of the best weapons against plate armour (my favourite) the rondell dagger. Easiest way against a knight in full plate, stab him through the visor in the helmet, there is no possibility to protect against that (if you get in reach, that is).

 

Couldn't remember that thing about two handers, thanks for that. But isn't that dependant on the person swinging the blade? I mean the larger the man muscular wise the more power there is behind the swing, swords use momentum to slice, also there is a type of two handed sword that can cut through steel plate... a Katana, though this is dependent on how thick it is.

As for getting past plate armor... that's what maces and war hammers were made for.

Reply #134 Top

Lol, what people believe about the Katana is more myth than fact, it did not cut through plate.  Like any longsword, you tried to pierce the gaps in the armor, not straight through the steel plate. 

Reply #135 Top

As Lord Xia says, a Katana can't cut through European medieval plate armour. (It also can't cut through other swords.) Usually.

The funny thing about Katana's and the folding technique used to create them is that the reason for this complicated folding was that steel in ancient Japan was very low quality in general. Compared to European steel of that time, Japanese steel was very brittle (iirc). To prevent their weapons from breaking easily, they had to fold them dozens of time to create a material surviving the forces inherent in using it. Producing a good sword that doesn't need to be folded is actually often the sign of a higher metallurgy ability.

Not that I don't think that Katana's are fine weapons. For use against lightly armored enemies (Japanese armour never was as "strong" as European armour caused by different resources available, different tactics and circumstances in war) it was well suited, being able to slash and stab about equally well.

 

Also it has to be said, that an inferior weapon against a very good quality one is very different. Low grade steel not only makes armour and weapons heavier, it also means they break easier. The effect of the proper technique and fighting style used also influences outcomes heavily. Ie. you see dozens of comparison videos on youtube about Longswords (which actually is a category of different swords) versus Katanas. Usually the weapon used by an experienced user wins then. For example, if they have a Japanese (or from Japanese descendant) sword master with a Katana the Katana shows superior quality. If its a German one (famous for their Zweihänder after all) their weapon wins.

In other words, if one can't use their weapon... the weapon won't show exceptional qualities on their own. :)

It's the same against armour. If you use low quality plate armour replicas you can buy nowadays, a good sword can, when it hits a weak area, actually cut through the plate. Well crafted plate armour made from good steel though is almost impossible to cut. The force in a cut divided over the long area of the blade in a cuttion motion just isn't enough. (And if the force gets too high, a sword usually bends, or can even break, which sets a ceiling on how high it can get.)

Reply #137 Top

Quoting Lord, reply 134
Lol, what people believe about the Katana is more myth than fact, it did not cut through plate.  Like any longsword, you tried to pierce the gaps in the armor, not straight through the steel plate. 

 

It has to be true! I read it on the internets!

Reply #138 Top

Quoting Kadrium, reply 136
Katanas aren't folded "dozens" of times. More than about 12 is pointless, you've already created a few thousand layers at that point.

Yeah, should have read dozens. They actually got folded up to a dozen times or more. About 30'000 layers of metal were the goal of the folding after all. :p The reason for the folding was to create an even quality of the metal and to spread the carbon evenly around, so that the weapon later on wouldn't break through irregularity when a strong force was acted upon it.

Reply #139 Top

Quoting Vandenburg, reply 135
As Lord Xia says, a Katana can't cut through European medieval plate armour. (It also can't cut through other swords.) Usually.

The funny thing about Katana's and the folding technique used to create them is that the reason for this complicated folding was that steel in ancient Japan was very low quality in general. Compared to European steel of that time, Japanese steel was very brittle (iirc). To prevent their weapons from breaking easily, they had to fold them dozens of time to create a material surviving the forces inherent in using it. Producing a good sword that doesn't need to be folded is actually often the sign of a higher metallurgy ability.

Not that I don't think that Katana's are fine weapons. For use against lightly armored enemies (Japanese armour never was as "strong" as European armour caused by different resources available, different tactics and circumstances in war) it was well suited, being able to slash and stab about equally well.

Actually you are incorrect about the quality of the metal katanas were made from, and folding does not prevent it from snapping (actually bending metal makes it harder and MORE brittle).

The metal is smelted first, and it is there that soft and hard metal are serparated (and the inbetween stuff, which is not used for katanas). The hard is carbonized steel, and the soft just iron. These are used to make two parts for the blade that are joined at the end of the forging process. They are folded (and heated back up to soften it out later) to remove impurites (modern technology cannot detect any impurities in them).

The iron is used to create a 'spine' for the sword that goes down the back, and the steel is used to create a V shaped sheath for the spine which will be the blade. Once both are done, they are welded and then quenched. It is when they are quenched that it becomes curved and the steel becomes really hard. The steel holds a sharp edge well and the iron in the spine keep it from shattering.

Reply #140 Top

Quoting Vandenburg, reply 138
Yeah, should have read dozens. They actually got folded a dozen times. About 30'000 layers of metal were the goal of the folding after all.

The point is not to layer it, it is to remove impurities by hammering on it (causing sparks which are impurities that have been purged). Therefore you fold until it stops sparking.

Reply #141 Top

Quoting Gwenio1, reply 139
Actually you are incorrect about the quality of the metal katanas were made from, and folding does not prevent it from snapping (actually bending metal makes it harder and MORE brittle).

Heh, just saw that brittle doesn't mean what I ment it ment. ^^

Anyway, you're saying the same as I'm saying. The folding process is used to remove inpurities in japanese steel, by spreading the carbon around more evenly in the raw material (what's it in English called? blank?). European swordsmith hadn't the need to do that usually, because their materials were allready "pure" or "even" enough.

 

(PS. I pulled the above 30k number out of my behind. No clue how often they really folded them tbh.)

Quoting Gwenio1, reply 139
The hard is carbonized steel, and the soft just iron. These are used to make two parts for the blade that are joined at the end of the forging process. They are folded (and heated back up to soften it out later) to remove impurites (modern technology cannot detect any impurities in them).

Nitpicking here, but the "soft part" isn't just iron. It's low carbonized steel and the hard is more highly carbonized. Both contain carbon though.

Reply #142 Top

Quoting Gwenio1, reply 140


The point is not to layer it, it is to remove impurities by hammering on it (causing sparks which are impurities that have been purged). Therefore you fold until it stops sparking.

Eh, read my full text. :p

Quoting Vandenburg, reply 138

Quoting Kadrium, reply 136Katanas aren't folded "dozens" of times. More than about 12 is pointless, you've already created a few thousand layers at that point.

Yeah, should have read dozens. They actually got folded up to a dozen times or more. About 30'000 layers of metal were the goal of the folding after all. The reason for the folding was to create an even quality of the metal and to spread the carbon evenly around, so that the weapon later on wouldn't break through irregularity when a strong force was acted upon it.

And no, hammering doesn't remove the impurities. The folding process makes the steel more even by spreading the impurities in the steel (mostly the carbon) around.

 

Edit: And yeah, the 30k number I still pulled out of thin air.

Reply #143 Top

Quoting Vandenburg, reply 142
And no, hammering doesn't remove the impurities. The folding process makes the steel more even by spreading the impurities in the steel (mostly the carbon) around.

Impurities are removed by the folding and hammering process.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katana

The process discribed there roughly matches from what I recall from a documentary where they showed how it is done and talked with people who still make them through the traditional methods.

Reply #144 Top

Luckily, I didn't have to forge my sword.  It was given to me by the Sorceress.  One day, fabulous secret powers were revealed to me, when just fucking around, I happen to say "By the power of Greyskull! I have the Power!".  God damn I was high, I thought I was tripping balls, but I had really became He-Man, the most powerful man in the universe.  Also, the third most homo-erotic behind Fisto and Ram-Man. 

Reply #145 Top

Quoting Lord, reply 144
Luckily, I didn't have to forge my sword.  It was given to me by the Sorceress.  One day, fabulous secret powers were revealed to me, when just fucking around, I happen to say "By the power of Greyskull! I have the Power!".  God damn I was high, I thought I was tripping balls, but I had really became He-Man, the most powerful man in the universe.  Also, the third most homo-erotic behind Fisto and Ram-Man. 

 

lol where did that come from hahaha

Reply #146 Top

I was trying to think of a way to end the nerd diatribe about medieval weapons. 

Reply #147 Top

Indeed, speaking of swords... once I can afford it... I'm having this baby made that I modeled

Reply #148 Top

Quoting Vandenburg, reply 131

Quoting EternalRequiem, reply 126Two handed swords in general also can cut through Plate Mail.

That's not true. There is no way to cut through plate armour with a sword, as large as it may be. (That is, contemporary steel medieval swords against contemporary steel plate armour. I don't doubt that a titansteel sword would work against bronze armour.)

Against full plate armour, the only swords that reliably work are those able to pierce through a plate armours weak points, ie. at the joints and the like. Also swords techniques called halfsword (dunno the English name, but you grip the sword with one hand in the middle and one at the hilt, so you can use leverage to disarm, injure or force the other out of balance, ie. more like wrestling then the "traditional" idea of sword fights) with one and a half handers works well.

Reduced 95%Original 600 x 395

Pic from the wiki article linked below.

Or one of the best weapons against plate armour (my favourite) the rondell dagger. Easiest way against a knight in full plate, stab him through the visor in the helmet, there is no possibility to protect against that (if you get in reach, that is).

 

 

The more more I read about the realities of medieval warfare, the more I'm glad they are left out in Hollywood movies.

Reply #149 Top

... I'd actually be glad to see some reality with Hollywood movies...

I'd actually love to see a more historical 300 Movie instead of the blood fest of movie that was made, granted it was a good movie yes...

Only way any sword is gonna cut through platemail is if it's magically enchanted and that my friends is part of the fantasy realm... which might I add... this is a fantasy based game ;)

Reply #150 Top

Quoting EternalRequiem, reply 149
... I'd actually be glad to see some reality with Hollywood movies...

I'd actually love to see a more historical 300 Movie instead of the blood fest of movie that was made, granted it was a good movie yes...

Try looking up "The 300 Spartans". 300 is based on a comic/book/whatever that is in turn based on that movie. At least they got the equipement historically accurate.