Idea: Advanced Economics Simulation

I dont think I would like to have another excel from this game. Focus on combat and tactics, thats what I prefer. More complex does not mean more enjoyable, especially in economic simulations. Why would you want to directly control trade ships / fleets? Thats not the job of the emperor, but free market or clerks. What would be the advantage? Will there be serious disadvabtage if I dont want to babysit trade ships? What would be the gameplay advantage of more tradeable resources besides metal and crystal?

I like the idea of having different admirals with special abilities, though, but I think there are better ways to develop gameplay besides economic complexity. Like cloak.

I think the most important thing for games like Sins is to keep meaningful economic choices while streamlining them to their simplest form.  Advanced economic simulations would probably mean you'd need to spend hours to get a basic idea of how to run the system, and as Malso points out you'd probably need an excel window open while the game is running to optimize it.  There are better ways to create deeper strategy and more immersive gameplay.

i think it would be nice if you could tell trade ships to stop or continue on their route, because they inexorably run into enemy gravity wells and get killed

Instead of direct management, how about just having them NOT go through hostile wells?

Why not have more options but have such things as this be the default? The trade ships could automatically make certain decisions, based upon such common sense as you mention, yet if it offered the choice to attempt rushing through and enemy gravity well such would be an allowance of more freedom of choice.

Except, you actually don't get anything for travelling through hostile gravity wells.  Trade income is dependent ONLY one where you build your trade ports.  So long as the trade ships don't die, they're irrelevent to the process.

In order for the system you describe to make sense, this has to be a meaningful choice.  As it stands, there is literally never a reason you'd want to do this, so the entire trade system would have to be reworked from the ground up.  Above all else, Sins got its streamlined economy right, avoiding house-cleaning and busy-work pretty much completely, and this feature would have to ensure it's adding to the strategic depth of the game.

Don't mistake busy-work for depth.  If the correct answer is obvious 90% or more of the time, it's just busy-work and the feature  could be streamlined further to emphasize the parts of the game with strategic depth.  That's what simplified economies do; they filter out the busywork to focus our attention on what really matters, and as such capture greater strategic depth despite having simpler systems.

It is ONLY ONE possible example.... Trade ships need not be irrelevant though, and also the warships could also be used to transport goods from one port to another while building up an economy or, if ever, at a time when there is temporary peace.

Reworking the trading system from the ground up is exactly what I'm proposing, such as how the diplomacy system was reworked (practically) from the ground up.

I know that busy-work isn't depth, ... attending college has taught me that well enough. However, I would like a reason to continue playing the game after I've conquered the other AI opponents (yes, I only play single player since I have too intermittent of a schedule to allow for a multiplayer game). If there were trade between the colonies or whatnot, it would at least allow it not to become infinitely boring once all that can be done has been done. Additionally, during the normal conflict stage of the game, having a more advanced economic system would allow for more flexibility in how ones empire's economic system develops. There could be the default version which exists already and still able to be utilized, but also a more advanced system to provide more options and flexibility.

i don't think economic management should figure in to the game that much

sins is a combat oriented rts and should remain that way

What if another person would like it to be more than combat oriented?

well, they could find a game that focuses more on economics

This idea could work, but with a complicated idea to help make it simpler would be to say, add in if not already, (Do not have the expansions) a 2nd star system or more.

Now even with some systems being bigger then others which might find this ideas useful as well. In small ones it might get to be very complicated over what the idea really is, saying the idea is advanced, also complicated.                       It would be one to explore though, It would as incline if not already present with expansions and patches, hopefully good patches. layered planes in planet orbits, would find this to be easier to use and have, so there could be some more auto work invovled, but yet more ways to use manually as put in the inital post of thread. To help possible offset further usesto this idea onto putting the other into use, would be to have it be building specific outside it. And units use with buildings accordingly. And with Ships could put as lvls of whatever use, which so far would be fairly suitable , given the understanding of complexity with the intial idea, but adding more.

The complex part in some degree with whats been said perhaps, trying to think of more apparent ones then others, would be jump lanes. Could be Random to keep a balance of shift in gameplay, or specific, and as in specific, user selected lvling or automated. lvl 1 2 3 etc.

Combat should stay the same and moving either way cause the units moving accordingly. Ususally around each other and moving up down away from things to move either one way to or from something. But once again, more user input. At times if allowed to explore the new use.

Back to the idea at hand.

With it to me at least, maybe with others as well. The idea fits in larger systems if not multi-systems. Cause probably using smaller bigger ships then normal could be also a more appealing idea to this one, over just using regular trade ships, given size and amount and it being too a complete point of being automated.

So to automated some part of it to add in an additional economic element into the current economic system, to be more user friendly maybe without complication with intergration, having say such ships to be used for this could be larger or be built as a flotila (probably didnt spell that right) Thinking of it now, even on a smaller system idea, could be more useful then i was previously thinking. Think just one ship maybe two, or a flotila of ships when any are selected all are, The catch(on a good note) would be possible loading feature into a dock of some sort or entering some station, could have some pattern, maybe slightly different then the current trade ships. When docking to trade port or a different one.

Might make it even park along side the planet and send ships down or too the trade port with normal trade ships.

Its possibly a decent idea, but yet still an advanced or more complicated one to work with, but ifyour gameplay suits then it should work. Economics is always interesting to explore, especially in title like this here, where economics can be vast or small, most Space ones usually have a decent dynamic enocomic system to some point from the ones i have played. Some make it its' own game, some dont, it's another aspect of it that can or cannot be explored.   

A good idea though. 

I liked Rome Total War's economics. It was streamlined but perhaps a little differently to SOasE. Commodities could be gained and used as trade and you could see a breakdown of what was being traded at a settlement in a reasonable amount of detail and this could be affected by trade pacts, owning areas that didn't naturally have a resource and one that did etc. But, it didn't affect your gameplay that much. It was basically having more resources than crystal and metal, but it also assumed you paid cash for everything so you didn't have to manage your resources to run your empire.