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DG Players: Tier 1, Tier 2, and Those to be Avoided

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DG Players: Tier 1, Tier 2, and Those to be Avoided

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This thread has been closed by pacov - a new thread has been created here:  http://forums.demigodthegame.com/383615

 

Why create this thread?

Simply stated, the ladder is generally not the best depiction of skill, imho.  It GENERALLY tracks who plays the game the most and/or who acts like a jerk by cheating instead of who the most talented players are.  That's not to say that everyone high up in the ladder falls into this category.  So, if I were to put together my own ladder that indicated skill, I wonder how things would shake out.  Obvious hurdles being that many highly skilled individuals don't play each other.  So, this requires either the people that don't play together to play more together (my personal choice) or I have to rely from feedback from other players.

Your part if you want to participate

Who do you guys think are the best players in demigod today?  I understand that its a team game, but individual players do tend to stand out (and I also know that one great player can't guarantee a win if he has weak teammates, etc).  I'm happy to have everyone's feedback.  I'm not looking for people to jump in and flame. Just call out who you think is great or who you'd like to see fight.  Perhaps we'll get games going.  You want to flame and talk crap, your post will probably end up deleted. 

You can nominate anyone you want.  To keep this from being a list of who likes who, several individuals that are generally considered excellent at the game will moderate the list.  If those individuals generally agree, a player can be removed or promoted in the list.

I've decided on 4 categories of players and have provided descriptions of each.  Please recommend players along with the category you feel they fit in.

Tier 1 Demigod Players:

Realistically, its my belief that there are 10-30 players in this game that are tier 1 DG players (the best). Those players shine as individuals, generally with a wide variety of characters and do not depend on a specific team or teammate to do well.  They can play exceptionally in 1v1, 2v2, 3v3, 4v4, and 5v5.  These are players that do not cheat or desync games.  These are the people that you want on your team or you want to play against because you know you will get a good game.  Any player in this list or any other should currently be an active player.  

  • abuggeredhedgie/awuffleablehedgie
  • cowbuttzex
  • kalelsmx
  • GM-Janook
  • gm-magnus333
  • GM-Mcshane
  • GM-Mithrander
  • GM-NinkiCZ
  • GM-Renz0kuken
  • GM-Zen_God
  • Nomilarac
  • Orcun
  • OMG-pacov
  • Paulie Carbone
  • RAWRRRR
  • ThatGuyYoulove/ boxxy_Koush
  • trousersnake

Tier 2 Demigod Players:

These are players that don't quite currently fit into highest level of players, but are good players all the same.  Perhaps they require a specific team or can only do well in specific types of games (1v1, 2v2).  The bottom line is that they aren't quite as polished or versatile as the highest level players. 

  • 2nana
  • Alterschism 
  • Amazing_Hero (oak)
  • Archon_SAAR (regulus!)
  • Atma44x (torch bearer)
  • captnspaulding
  • Celmare
  • Darz4 (qot)
  • DD_Karebears
  • Epiphenomenon (beast)
  • Esuzu
  • eXXcentric
  • Grahf666
  • IamKira
  • _illuminati_
  • Iokke
  • irek1988/never-fuk-wit-a-oak
  • Jaws8you
  • Jona__
  • Jongalt26
  • Ke5trel
  • Kitty007
  • Kollecktir
  • Lethstang (oak + ub)
  • lifekatana
  • LuftBR
  • Maccilia
  • Naur (oak + da + reg)
  • Obiwhan
  • Ogham
  • peterdumptruck
  • prozombie
  • Shred_demon (demon assassin)
  • Soccer-mom
  • spooky_
  • STFNG
  • Teseer (tb)
  • Thundercles
  • xXxXxAchillesTGxXxX
  • Xynth
  • yeahneil
  • Zoahr

Tier 3 Demigod Players:

A third group (or list) would be everyone else. No need to list individuals...

Demigod Players that Should Be Avoided:

These would be specific individuals that clearly (and I mean clearly) cheat.  You don't get on this list unless I (pacov) am VERY convinced that you belong here.

  • AlienWarrior - This player should be avoided.  Stat exploiter confirmed by pacov.  As of 1/5/2010, this player has 34 wins and 0 losses and is ladder ranked 34.  I played a game with him in a 1v1 with him as the host.  After confirming that the player spoke English, I asked him if he would let the stats count if I beat him (there is currently a simple exploit that enables any host in a 1v1 game to make the game disappear if they don't want the stats to be kept - Also note that this player plays almost exclusively 1v1 games).  The player did not respond to my question.  As I began to tear down both sides of the player's base, he used the stat exploit and the game vanished as a result.  The player used this exploit with about 10 minutes left in the game.  Based on his stats and skill level (read: not highly skilled), this player is clearly exploiting the stat system.
  • PrizmSmurf - This player should be avoided.  Stat exploiter and poor sport confirmed by pacov on 4/1/2010.  After losing in a 2v2 matchup, PrizmSmurf said "I hope you die a long slow death of cancer.  I mean it."  Then said, "Bet you are going to enjoy watching me desync."  Then, just before the citadel went down, desynced the game. Based on his stats, he clearly does not desync games on a regular basis, but wishing cancer on someone because they beat you in a game and then committing the one offense in demigod that can get you banned (saying you are desycning then desyncing) is a bit over the top.  I suggest you avoid him. 
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Reply #1201 from Demigod Forums Top

If you don't send a monk to one side of the map within 5s of the game starting as the only general on a team, you don't deserve to own the game, much less be on a list with tiers.

Also, if you don't send a new monk within 15s of the old one dying at any point you shouldn't be on a list.

Lastly, if you don't understand stacking monks or don't do it in the first 3 minutes of a game with multiple generals your account should be deleted and all mention of you erased from these forums for all time, including this list.

Reply #1202 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting GM-MAGNUS333, reply 1201
If you don't send a monk to one side of the map within 5s of the game starting as the only general on a team, you don't deserve to own the game, much less be on a list with tiers.

Also, if you don't send a new monk within 15s of the old one dying at any point you shouldn't be on a list.

Lastly, if you don't understand stacking monks or don't do it in the first 3 minutes of a game with multiple generals your account should be deleted and all mention of you erased from these forums for all time, including this list.

I'm guessing this comment refers in some way to the replay Jona posted... though I'm not sure who specifically he's calling out here, etc...

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Reply #1203 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting Teseer, reply 1200

Quoting Ke5trel, reply 1199

Oh! Hey that opens a nice window - So if Tes and I beat R/K i.e. two Tier 2's beat two Tier 1's does that put us in Tier 1? 



Damn right it does, lol.

I hang just fine with...pretty much anyone I play with. If everything feels I'm teir 2, thats fine, but I don't agree

Edit: And I agree with Cow. The only thing that 'Ooze v Spit' replay shows is why not to feed a UB/LE. I think we all knew that already anyway.

Edit: But I do feel Jona is pretty good. I'll reserve judgement till I play with him more.

Edit again, read that second line again, I sound like a douche, lol.

 

Well that was the first balanced game i've played against Cows ooze ub.  And it shows flag control and early game prowess.  Id like to try it again cow is an awesome UB to play against.  But in most situations spit UB owns unless ooze UB gets a lot of kills from diseased claw surprise.

Reply #1204 from Demigod Forums Top

Well monks have been my hotspot lately.  Jona sent me a monk like 20s into a game recently and I was furious!

The comment wasn't directed at him (though I thought to post it because of that game), it's just my opinion that a tier 1 player will always have pro monk micro.

Reply #1205 from Demigod Forums Top

Well the only reason i didnt send you a monk was because i wanted to solo mana flag and sent a monk to hp.....  So i had to move another monk and they didn't want to listen for like 20seconds.

Reply #1206 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting GM-MAGNUS333, reply 1204


The comment wasn't directed at him (though I thought to post it because of that game), it's just my opinion that a tier 1 player will always have pro monk micro.

What happens if the player only plays assassins?  Then they can't ever be tier 1?  :|

Reply #1207 from Demigod Forums Top

Thats why I figured I wasn't on the list.

Getting punished for only liking one guy, sigh. lol

Reply #1208 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting Smurf_Demon, reply 1206


What happens if the player only plays assassins?  Then they can't ever be tier 1? 

Of course.  This is tier '1' we are talking about here, not tier 'your mom'.

Reply #1210 from Stardock Forums Top

What happens if the player only plays assassins? Then they can't ever be tier 1?

His criteria, not necessarily mine.  If you do play generals and are tier 1, I'd think you have great micro skills with monks, etc.  The problem with people who only use 1 character is in how the definition for tier 1 is written. 

Those players shine as individuals, generally with a wide variety of characters and do not depend on a specific team or teammate to do well. 

So regarding you, teseer - you've got one of the best tb's out there.  You have  a very detailed thread going with strategies on how to deal with each dg.  And what you do, you do very well.  However, because you primarily play one character, that limits what you can do, unless you believe that tb is someone you would want on your team in every 3v3 scenario.  Say, cata 3v3 - the other team is oak/erb/ub.  Your team has tb + ? + ?.  However, other scenarios where tb would be a good choice, make your skill level with tb all the more useful and a great asset to your team.  I'd generally prefer the more versatile player over the expert with one in matchups (I get a chance to play tb from time to time too, then :)).  There's nothing wrong with your philosophy to play the heck out of one character and be better with him than anyone else - I just find its a little limiting (and I hate having to be the guy to pick a tier 1 char to compensate all the time).  Not to say that you can't do some great stuff against a team of ub/erb/oak or some strong combo.  Looking forward to seeing some replays of you in the high level games against GM once your clan gets up and running if they go ub/erb/oak, etc.  I'd almost really want to break up the tier 1 list into tier 1 with only 1 dg and tier 1 with mult dgs if you were added to the t1 list.  I just happen to value flexibility quite a bit... a tier one going all random should not get their butt handed to them imo. 

Reply #1211 from Demigod Forums Top

shredy tells me to tell you that smurf demon is tier 2

Reply #1212 from Demigod Forums Top

Like I said, I know that's why I'm not on the list.

TB is the only reason I play Demigod. I don't have fun with anyone else at the moment. I'll play others eventually, but right now hes the only one I truly enjoy.

Plus, I made a pact with myself to play only TB this Epoch. Dunno if I'll hold to that forever, but that's what I like.

I believe as TB, I'm Tier 1. But by the rules above, I knew I didn't qualify. I think I even mentioned that like 90 pages ago, hah. 

And I'm looking forward to those games too.

(Edit: And you don't HAVE to have a T1 DG, just sayin)

(Edit2: And damn right I think TB should be on every team, lol. On LK's Threat I said the best team is TB/*/* ;) )

Reply #1213 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting Cowbuttzex, reply 1198

 I will be linking a replay of you getting your ass kicked shortly for some retribution my entire team didn't give a shit after the first 5 minutes.

Here you go Cow http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&show=details&id=123003&st=0#7198908

Reply #1214 from Demigod Forums Top

I think Jona belongs in tier 2.  He's good @ copying builds / item selection, but his play needs improvement.  I'd upload / link replays if necessary, but w/e.

Example 1:  Copies Cow's Ooze UB, but doesn't use it effectively to control the map.

Example 2:  Copies my Occ build and attempts to use it against me.  Beginning starts off with him wandering back and forth multiple times then finally coming up to me on mana lane, where I hit him and the tower with chain, and he chains me when there is nothing around.  Later he's laned up against an ooze beast, but doesn't bother to double jump him, merely waits until UB's grasp is off cd, then runs into melee range / gets grasped, then cloaks away.  Easy push out if he ran into melee range and then blast off on top of the beast (and if necessary has cloak to jump away like before).  Instead, he let's a non spit beast @ 2500 control the mana lane for a couple minutes.

 

Mostly a whole bunch of little things that really make a Tier 1 a Tier 1.  Like not fighting 3 on 3 @ your cd flag when the entire map is controlled by the enemy team and an occ is just chaining both towers down plus hitting everyone else.  That's a time to get other flags and draw them out elsewhere.  

Reply #1215 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting Teseer, reply 1207
Thats why I figured I wasn't on the list.

Getting punished for only liking one guy, sigh. lol

I have the same problem with Sedna. I can certainly play a more-than-competent UB, Oak, Occulus and my Queen and DA aren't too bad (if you take into account their innate weakness). But because I focus on one demigod it was my largest hitch into tier 1. I still preferring only playing Sedna in competitive matches... 

But I can perform fine in All Random games (as long as I'm not Rook lol) 

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magnus is half shooting at me with the monk-stacking thing (something I've known since the first month of this game and been doing with irek since forever). But he's just an angry and bitter person, as you can see...

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Jona is certainly good. Better than I was when I came back from my 2 month break earlier this year. A little cocky, which is something that just ruffles my spines. Despite my trash-talking ways I actually hate trash-talking :-/ I just do it because its the hedgehog thing to do! 

But he's got good confidence, so that's something. 

Give him a few weeks I think. 

Reply #1216 from Demigod Forums Top

I haven't played em in a while, but I can play Oak/LE/QoT/Sed

I REFUSE to play UB. 

I'm not so hot at Reg/Oc/QoT

And DA I haven't played online.

Reply #1217 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting Jona__, reply 1203




Well that was the first balanced game i've played against Cows ooze ub.  And it shows flag control and early game prowess.  Id like to try it again cow is an awesome UB to play against.  But in most situations spit UB owns unless ooze UB gets a lot of kills from diseased claw surprise.

This is a balanced game that actually was not one sided at all. I went ooze and Jona went Spit beast. The difference was Jona died 8 times in this game and I didn't, now that fact didn't mean much because this game still could of went either way but I am sure Jona dying less would of gave them the win.

http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&show=details&id=122192

Reply #1218 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting Teseer, reply 1216
I haven't played em in a while, but I can play Oak/LE/QoT/Sed

I REFUSE to play UB. 

I'm not so hot at Reg/Oc/QoT

And DA I haven't played online.

We should play Sed-TB but me as TB and you as Sed ^^;

Reply #1220 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting awuffleablehedgie, reply 1218


We should play Sed-TB but me as TB and you as Sed ^^;
Lol! I'm down. 1 game each way!

Reply #1221 from Demigod Forums Top

Actually my monk comment has little to do with hedgie.  Though I would kick him out of t1 for poor sportsmanship, I'd expect everyone in t1 to not admittedly, intentionally sabotage their own team for their personal laughs.

Good monk micro can really make or break a game, and at least turn the advantage of a game but very few people do anything more then click a monk and tell it to follow someone, which if often more harm then good (attacking towers), and then forget about it when it dies.

Reply #1222 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting Teseer, reply 1207
Thats why I figured I wasn't on the list.

Getting punished for only liking one guy, sigh. lol

You can make a Tier list for TBs.

Reply #1223 from Demigod Forums Top

I would if I thought there were more then like 5 good ones.

Reply #1224 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting RAWRRRR, reply 1214
I think Jona belongs in tier 2.  He's good @ copying builds / item selection, but his play needs improvement.  I'd upload / link replays if necessary, but w/e.

Example 1:  Copies Cow's Ooze UB, but doesn't use it effectively to control the map.

Example 2:  Copies my Occ build and attempts to use it against me.  Beginning starts off with him wandering back and forth multiple times then finally coming up to me on mana lane, where I hit him and the tower with chain, and he chains me when there is nothing around.  Later he's laned up against an ooze beast, but doesn't bother to double jump him, merely waits until UB's grasp is off cd, then runs into melee range / gets grasped, then cloaks away.  Easy push out if he ran into melee range and then blast off on top of the beast (and if necessary has cloak to jump away like before).  Instead, he let's a non spit beast @ 2500 control the mana lane for a couple minutes.

 

Mostly a whole bunch of little things that really make a Tier 1 a Tier 1.  Like not fighting 3 on 3 @ your cd flag when the entire map is controlled by the enemy team and an occ is just chaining both towers down plus hitting everyone else.  That's a time to get other flags and draw them out elsewhere.  

 

Being the fact that that was probably my 2nd time playing occulus i had no clue about double jump dmg or how chain lightning worked for awhile and no i am not a good ooze UB at all,  thats probably one of the only games I've ever tried it.  But keep on bringing up one offs and bashing me =/.

Reply #1225 from Demigod Forums Top

An arrogant attitude invites this kinda stuff. Just sayin.