Oh i'm friendly enough, at least to those that are not in any way killing the gaming experiance for the rest of us.

You seem determined to spew your rhetoric of "helping" people, whatever, i call BS.

You are going out of your way to justify your position, when no matter what your intent may have been, the consequence is the same.

False stat rankings skewed by you, on purpose.

The resf of your inane posts mean nothing.

Wanna help Noobies? Open a custom game titled "Help for Noobs" and comp stomp, leave the ladder ranks alone.

If you refuse to to do that, then all your justificatione mean shit. There are more players in custom than Panth, hence more chance of finding noobs.

Fact - You exploit the Panth to play AI only.

FAIL.

Fair enough, I suppose... but I still haven't bought into your premise.

Let's examine the results of current Demigod game mechanics... in overwhelming fashion the best players turn dark, even Rook-loving Ob takes this bastion of light into the shadow (no offense intended Ob)... yes, some few stellar examples to the contrary exist, Magla is a great case of success for the light that is not tainted by my means of "success"...

It would seem to me that your point really is to encourage me to... on a statically more often basis, team up with novice players and stand toe to toe against you, neilo, cold, Myp, Ob, xXx, Marcinex, etc...

...my point is that I have already done this, hundreds of times (not very many people have lost as often as I)... after loss 250, i decided to play smart... quantity only sometimes has a quality all it's own... if i could --- surf the evolving Pantheon mix, wait for tactical overmatch with say Ob and virgil and then strike hard... well, at the end of the day, who is to say that was an exploit or just inspired game play, using every resourse at my disposal???

Your thoughts?

...such profanity really isn't neccessary. However, I accept the toxic forum community equally, with the constructive forum community. Unfortunately it is a fact that you can't have one without the other.

Let's leave it at a shared desire to have rankings reset yet again... I do believe that without profanity, even you would agree with that.

I'm not sure how precisely you've come to that conclusion.  You've purchased the game and are surely welcome to play it however you want, against AI or players.  I'm fairly confident that the official response to the question "is ladder ranking meant to be a measure of how many wins a player has against computer opponents" will be answered with "no.  That is not the intent." 

Regarding leaving the pantheon load screen if you don't see the players you want to see in the connect screen, here's a quote from that good 'ol CEO of Stardock from the end of August (http://forums.demigodthegame.com/362657/page/3): 

I thought this was discussed in greater deal elsewhere, but perhaps not.  Though I do think it covers his opinion on the matter.  Specifically the "hyper-competitive people who quit games [in the lobby - my words] if they don't get the person they want to play with."  As this appears to be fairly generally what you do, that would place you as part of the problem he's describing. 

If you want to call the ability to gain experience by fighting computers a strategy, then sure, its an effective one.  You obviously can continue to do so and hopefully SD will correct the problem (again the main problem being rewarding experience for fighting non human opponents in pantheon). 

Profanity? Your kidding right.

Dodging the issue i see though.

So? Anything else you have to say on the matter is BS.

Frogboy...SD? You guys following this.....As Pacov quoted, exploiters like Havoc need dealing with in some way.

Otherwise i have to ask, Whats the point of stats and a ladder at all, if jokers can just abuse the system and justify their actions any way they want to spin it?

neilo u cant talk. you vs ai alot and u ragequit from games.

you are even playing with piznit in ALOT of pantheon games together, when pantheon is meant for random teams.

http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/game/973109/player/36393/

http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/game/994580/player/36393/

http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/game/990629/player/36393/

http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/game/990553/player/36393/

http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/game/990497/player/36393/

http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/game/990459/player/36393/

http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/game/990433/player/36393/

http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/game/990442/player/36393/

http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/game/990393/player/36393/

http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/game/982062/player/36393/

http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/game/982047/player/36393/

http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/game/977621/player/36393/

http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/game/977612/player/36393/

http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/game/977602/player/36393/

http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/game/973109/player/36393/

http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/game/973104/player/36393/

http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/game/973060/player/36393/ are u upset coz you think your better than havoc?

http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/game/973024/player/36393/

http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/game/972359/player/36393/

you even play custom games together. time to get a life mate, premades are for custom games, not pantheon.

what about yourself? your effectively dodging other premades by playing pantheon. now i understand why u have such a high ranking.

You seriously inconvenience the "new" players on your team and the players on the dark side.  You are no better that the premades that Frogboy so bitterly complained about regarding Patheon in the early days - and that really pissed him off.

You preach about wanting to help new players, yet you leave them with AIs to fight?  Right.... I know you wasted about 45 minutes of my time the other day with your antics and I was just one of several people trying to get a game.  I don't give two #$@# about the rankings, it's your screwing with other people's games that should be handled.

Bang on the money cutting through the rhetoric, Havoc you waste peoples time, you make the rankings pointless through exploitation. There has been at least 3 games I was meant to start with you I sat on the connection screen waiting as did 2 people on your side and 3 people on my side. After an elongated wait the game eventually started, without you all of us miss out on a decent game. Everyone then quits and has to go back to the game making process, at this point you are merrily bashing away at AI.

Have you checked my game list lately?

Whats happenned lately? You have turned over a new leaf? Well done.

Previously you were wasting people time either a. not relaising what disruption youwere causing or b. (the option most likely judging by some of your responses and the fact you are clearly not an idiot) in full knowledge ploughing on regardless.

...how about c. none of the above

I have been playing this game for 6 weeks or so... you began on APR 24th with a win (kuddos by the way.) Can you even imagine how frustrating it is for a new player to break into this game? I have lived (lol... still am living) the reality of having to go up against 6-month veterans like yourself... you did not have to face that during your 7th week... you were raging through the custom game (kuddos again by the way for finding a niche and exploiting it... as a rookie, I have c. chosen the one light demi that can agument/impact his teams effort... thus I snipe and buy curr like there is no tomorrow... (I tried running after every on as a speed-skating Sedna with a heal... but that didn't work out so well... lol)

... yes, I found a niche for myself and have clearly benefited by the ranking system reset (and noone is more surprised by all this than myself!!!) but in truth the vast majority of my drops did not result in an AI taking my place (I have checked this repeatedly since I began mining this niche) and the 20 to 25 seconds it should take everyone to realize that I dropped are not irreplaceable... although if you are playing only during your lunch break (as someone has stated), I can clearly why I am persona-non-grata...

...to make amends, i have taken and stayed in every match this evening, and i have dropped matches when it was clearly 3 light against 3 AI and when it has been too long (and I was the only player have sat in the queue)... have I forgone approximately 1200 favor points for the light... yes i have (sorry Rike!!!) but for this day alone, I will try something allot more acceptable by this oftentimes-caustic forum... we will see what tonight's midnight posting does to my ranking... I have also applied to GunslingerBara to have my points redacted or otherwise adjusted as SD sees fit to ameliate the level of... havoc, my actions have generated within this community...

...on a separate note, even this 6-week rookie has noted that the number of Demigod participants both Custom and Pantheon has been on a steady decline, but when the overriding intent of the majority of the community is to gank the new player, I ask you... is Demigod fatally flawed? Will you, I and Ob be the only ones sitting around in these forums 6 months from today? (Yes, that is an exaggeration but maybe not as big a one as we might realize...) I would value you thoughts?

In your 6 weeks, casually worked out at 42 days you have been ingame for 20days! I don't think you can really play the innocent n00bie card. Especially compared to my pultry 7 days play since the 24th of April. That said much respect for doing your best to sort it out, if you fancy stomping some pugs maybe with the use of voice chat hit me up.

thx and i have already downloaded the ventrilo client... but I would so much prefer Clan stomping... when is that ever going to be an option!

Thank you, Prussian-Havoc.  By all means continue to play against the AI if that is the style of game you like best.  I'd simply request that 1. SD remove experience for beating AI only or reduce the experience provided and 2. that you don't force others into a position where they have to relaunch pantheon matches to get a game going.  Barring that, if you find you constantly are going up against AI in pantheon simply because the population is low (eg you launch pantheon and don't drop at the connect screen), I don't have any grievance with you at all.  At that point you wouldn't be intentionally jumping through the loophole as it were.  This loophole will exist in some form or another until exp reduced or not given for playing against AI. 

Here's a vent server and some additional vent information. 

Here's all the info you need on getting ventrillo up and running along with a public dg server (http://forums.demigodthegame.com/362211/ thanks go out to CallTheVoid). 

Here is where you can download the client (its free): http://www.ventrilo.com/download.php

Here are instructions on how to use ventrilo to connect to a server:  http://www.ventrilo.com/faq.php

And here's the needed server info: 

Sever name:  chi05.hurricanehost.com
Port:  4636

Stacked...Not sure why the hostility or what iv'e done to piss you off but ok....

I have already said in this discussion that my own stats are skewed from AI in Panth, i beleive i have mentioned this twice. Difference is i don't seek out AI games. I don't quit one when it starts, i will play it out, but i don't quit from human games to seek out AI only games. I have said already that my rank is not a reflection of my skill.

I do not seek out AI only games...I don't understand your position here.

Nor am i a ragequitter. I will happily admit to RQing a game once way back just after release where it was a 1v1 on Cruc, i was Reg and Multiana played a tower rook. Other than that, i have not RQ..i will take the ass whipping...ryan has whipped my ass plenty, i don't ever recall quitting one of them.

As for playing Panth with Piz....So? We both play Panth and due to our locations (US and AU) we often cannot both get into the same custom game, Aussie lobbies aside. So we both fire up Panth and play on there, where we cannot be kicked for ping. We play the games on offer be that human or AI, we don't look for AI only games.

I admit we do that....i do not see the issue with it. I have played many games with other guys as well on Panth (snakeblade)...when the pickings are slim and you play many games in a row, you tend to be with the same people at times.

If playing in Panth at the same time as a friend is also deemed an exploit, i'd be happy to stop...but then id love to see more tolerance of 300+ pings in customs.

Huh? I could care less one way or the other mate. Nor Havoc, I or any other player who has AI exp should be ranked where we are. Who is better is meaningless, this is a team game, a weak or strong player does not mean a win or loss.

How is that i am dodging a premade...and what makes you so qualified to make that call? Again i don't get your hostility against me here...i don't recall wronging you prior.

I play Panth cause i enjoy playing other modes of play, IE, games that are not Conquest on Cataract. Try hosting a dominate on Zik game and see how long, if at all it takes for your lobby to fill up.

As for premades..i have already said in this or another thread about getting a Aussie Pre together to take on some of the other pre's. Plus as you well know, when you are the only AU player in a US 3v3 or 4v4 you are not really wanted.....

My premade at best atm consists of me and Piznit, we have at time two other friends who play but both have tighter schedules....I'll go so bold as to speak for Piz here, but we would be happy to play other pre's....Shade and Kal whipped us thoroughly on prison once....it was a great game!

Again...i have mentioned this many times. You are correct my rank does not reflect my skill, i am more than happy to admit that...it is why i agree so much that AI exp should not be given. I am finding it harder to find games since so many people stat check, see my win % and leave.

I actively tell people when questioned that my rank means nothing and that i am a solid 50/50 player. Before this reset took into account AI panth EXP, i was about rank 1200...about where i should be i guess,

I have made this clear in this thread, others, and in lobbies.

FFS, i was higher ranked than Shade the other day....and if that's not wrong i don't know what it is.

Should i stop playing Panth altogether due its faults and the ranks? I do no exploit the Panth to get AI only games, i want to play humans. If by playing with friends in Panth is deemed an exploit, then we will try getting into more customs....but unlike Havoc, i do not seek out AI only games.

Did i piss you off somewhere Stacked?

Kudos to Prussian! Actively seeking human games will lead to a far better gaming experiance, for you and others as well.

My non friendly attitude aside, glad to see you take the ball and run on this issue.

I'm not sure this active seeking is occuring, but I'm not intending to follow it any further than this post.  He's still appeared in a few different games v AI only, but it looks like the number of v AI games has decreased some.  I'm not terribly interested in policing this further.  He's heard the arguments for his behavior and that's on him how he wants to handle it.  If he's taking steps like he mentioned, then kudos and I appreciate it. 

you are calling him out on things that are out of his own control. he cannot control if someone is going to disconnect from the game or not. whether he desides to continue playin against AI is none of your business. he can enjoy the game however the fk he wants.

just because u(and the rest of this community) dont like how hes got high stats doesnt mean its his fault. because farming against people who have disconnected is WITHIN THE RULES, you are ALLOWED to do this.

AI is a fundamental flaw in the game. people say fix AI but u cant in games like this, its impossible. thats y the only solution is to REMOVE IT from the game.

you should play more custom, everyone knows how premades are branded in this game.

you are exploiting pantheon because its random team and you are joining as a premade on purpose because u want to play with him. all other premades play CUSTOM games, just check the stats of the top players who premade together, how often do they play pantheon together as a team?

again you call him out for no reason. you dont have any idea if he seeks out AI only matches, besides do u think hes that retarded that he cant figure out how to play singleplayer?

Did you read this whole thread Stacked?....More than just I have witnessed Havoc appear in the connection screen multiple times in Panth, just to see him disappear before the games starts or when we got in game he would be gone.

Is every single one of these a d/c? Havoc himself stated he was opting out of human v human games to play AI with other people to help them.

It was not disputed that he was seeking out AI games only, as admitted by Havoc himself.

So these things are not totally out of his control, as has been mentioned.

True, whether or not he plays an AI game he got into is none of my business, as long as it was not at the expense of a human v human game that he could have played, then IHMO, it's the communities business as it does affect the ranks as seen and skews the ladder.

Couldn't agree with you more.

I can not control who i am teamed with in Panth. We make sure we enter the queue at the same time. After that it's in the hands of the server who i get teamed with. If there is going to be AI involved with humans, such as a 3 v 2 (+1AI), then we cancel the game before it starts and try again.

I admitted we play on the same force, other than that, what can i do? Since you obviously have checked my games you will have also noticed the plenty of customs we join.

Also, as i mentioned, where else can we play some other game type than conquest on cata but in panth? We both enjoy all the victory conditions.Perhaps the community would be more open to playing custom games other than conquest?

Yes, I called Prussian out...as did quite a few others, i'm sorry you felt the need to single me out for taking offense to Havoc's actions, of which he has been more than happy to adjust.

thank you StAcK3D_ActR... until yesterday (and I understand that pacov is still a hater) I did not have confidence in my abilities to take on all Pantheon challengers...

but yesterday I did... any doubts? ...then please check the dtg of my matches, you will quickly see that i went from one to another to another to another... and you know what, i kicked some butt - split 4 matches with Nil (kuddos by the why Nil for being the one 5 weeks ago who taught me that a mine Reg is better than an AF Reg...;) )... also even a casual review of my losses will note that i stayed in matches where i began with ai on my team and when teammates had dropped...

I played to the end of every match and no one, and i do mean no one can possibly state that i dodged a start up screen because i did not... i followed through on every human v human match (being completely honest, after the first loss with ai on my team, when I noted 2 dark players i knew in a start up ai-match, i did drop... but even u would not stick around in a situation like that i beleive) anyhow, this has all been a very educational experience for me... thx

Good luck, good game and Good Hunting!

(pacov, thx for the vent info and neilo if you really are that challenged for pre-partners let me know, i would love to play on your team/clan... this is an international community, AU player should not be discriminated against... )

My comments to Stacked of course pertain to your previous actions. Like you say, your actions speak for themselves.

I'd be happy to play with or against you, maybe i was harsh in my comments, but personally i have no ill will, i only wished you to play human v human games you were connectinmg too and not drop them in favor of Ai only.

I got the invite and accepted too btw....I like the irony of us teaming up in a pre.

That is really not worth your time doing. You know how the AI are, provided your inside that first 3 mins, concede the game and make sure your partner does the same. No 2 human + Ai team is going to beat a 3 human team. Well i should say it's more than likley not going to.

Cut your losses there and move on...

I will indeed cut my losses there and have just done so today in a Panth match with Nil...

...on a completely differrent note, my long-expected but not-much-embraced PCS move is taking place beginning today and for the next two weeks... it will be very limited hotel connectivity for me... "very-unhappy-face"...

... so I while I will still roam the forums (running a netbook alongside your desktop is sooo cool), my serious 5+ game gaming per day opportunities will be non-existant... military leave only lasts for so long but a month off has been fun... even more fun now that you, pavoc and stacked have helped me integrate into this community... i may not have started off how i would have liked, but if yesterday is any indication... it will be a fun ride over the next few months... thx