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Patch Stat Changes Forum [NEW TOPIC: Adjudicators 8/25/09]!!

Patch Stat Changes Forum [NEW TOPIC: Adjudicators 8/25/09]!!

For Sins 1.18 and Entrenchment 1.04

This is a post that I will update regularly to give the DEVS a better idea of what people think should be done to stats in the next patch. This is ONLY for patches, no new ships or elaborate concepts for the next expansion. This is for dealing with peoples’ concerns about balance. If there’s a balance idea you have that’s not on here, post it and I’ll put it up for voting if it seems valid. I love the fact that ICO pays attention to the forums and what people suggest, I’d like to make it easier for them. The idea is to have all ideas posted straight forward and ranked so the DEVS don’t have to sift through pages and pages to find popular ideas. SP and MP players are both welcome to comment. Post yay or nay for any idea you like or dislike (be specific please) or say no fix needed. If you’d like I’ll also insert specific values you may come up with. Some votes will be taken from other threads.

* Topics shoud be considered independent of eachother, vote for each topic as if the Devs were to choose only 1. Yay for fixes that you think would work, nay for fixes that you think won't*

** Now there's an easier way to cast your vote, download the easy entry form, fill it out and then copy and paste your results!**

>> Download The Easy Entry Form <<

REFERENCES
Several members of the community have taken it upon themselves to run tests to prove imbalances and recommend possible fixes. I would Encourage everyone commenting here to read these and become more informed.
Raging Amish's Lums vs Enforcers                           JJs HC Tests                      JJs Illum Tests

Deceivers Subjugator thread                        Deceivers Cap Carrier thread         

RAGING AMISH's Balance MOD

Game Bugs

These need to be addressed before anything else. The following is a compiled list of all known game bugs. Thanks to Pawelo for helping me compile and test these. If you can think of any others that aren't on here leave a comment to let me know.

-Embargo Level 2 and 3 do not stop cargo ships.

-Phasic Trap Research level 2 does not do anything.

-Magnetize does not interrupt channeled abilities

-Disruptive Strikes does not work on pulse beams

-Allegiance through wormholes is flawed.

-Wrong Sound effects on: Anima Tempest, repair cloud, nanite armor, EMP blast

-Infocard errors: Dunov shield restore does not increase mitigation, labs do not speed up build time

-Akkan Colonize ability does not always spawn extractors at lvl2 and lvl3.

-Subverters Disrupt Shields can not target structures with shields

-Some musics and Orange Skybox are not used.

 

SOLANUS ADJUDICATORS

The adjudicator, while it can target multiple structures, just doesnt have the punch its TEC cousin the Ogrovs has and has difficulty handling tight clusters of structures supported by repair bays. Also, without a well functioning healing unit, the poor adjudicator simply cant live long enough in the throws of battle to make a huge difference. We've discussed the changes, now its time to get official votes on them.

     Buff the Adjudicator-
                         Change armor type?:

                              Yay-           JuleTron              Kitkun                           N3rull
                                               eoncommander

                              Nay-           Dargoon999         Warlord Mike

                         Reduce supply cost?:

                              Yay-           JuleTron              Kitkun                            Dargoon999
                                               Warlord Mike        Darvin3                         SivCorp
                                              
eoncommander

                              Nay-           

                         Reduce number of firing banks to increase damage per target?:

                              Yay-            Warlord Mike        eoncommander

                              Nay-            Kitkun                  N3rull                            Dargoon999

                         Increase damage?:

                              Yay-            Warlord Mike         eoncommander

                              Nay-            Kitkun                  Dargoon999

                         Increase shields?:

                             Yay-            JuleTron                Kitkun                           eoncommander

                             Nay-            Dargoon999           Warlord Mike

      No Fix Needed-                    Ryat                      Extremor

MINES

These little critters were introduced in Entrenchment and have been seldom used. They are purely defensive, extremely expensive, and a huge gamble to put your money in. There's been much discussion on possible fixes, but now its time for an official vote, so here you go.

      Buff Mines
                        Increase damage?

                            Yay-              Juletron                Whiskey144                 SivCorp
                                                Extremor

             
               Nay-              EadTaes               Raging Amish               Ovi_187
                                                Kitkun                  eoncommander

                        Increase damage radius?

                            Yay-             Top Vasari             Whiskey144                  EadTaes
                                               Warlord Mike          Ovi_187                        SivCorp
                                               Extremor                eoncommander

                            Nay-             Juletron                 N3rull                           Raging Amish
                                               Kitkun

                        Increase activation radius?

                            Yay-             Warlord Mike         eoncommander

                            Nay-             EadTaes                JuleTron                       N3rull
                                              
Raging Amish         Ovi_187                       Kitkun
                                               Extremor

                        Increase mines per deployment?

                            Yay-             eoncommander

                            Nay-             EadTaes                N3rull                         Raging Amish
                                              
Warlord Mike          Ovi_187                     Kitkun
                                              
Extremor

                        Increase deployment spread?

                            Yay-           Warlord Mike            Extremor                    eoncommander

                            Nay-           Juletron                   EadTaes                     N3rull
                                             Raging Amish           Ovi_187                     Kitkun

                        Decrease cost?

                            Yay-           Juletron                   Mindseye(25%)           EadTaes(25%)
                                             Dargoon999             Whiskey144
                N3rull(20%)
                                            
Warlord Mike            Ovi_187                     Kitkun
                                             Extremor

                            Nay-           Raging Amish            eoncommander

                        Reduce build time for Proximity Mines(TEC)?

                            Yay-           Juletron                   Whiskey144                EadTaes
                                             Raging Amish           Warlord Mike               Ovi_187
                                             Kitkun                      Extremor

                            Nay-

                        Increase duration of Gravity Mines(Vasari)?
 
                            Yay-           Juletron                   N3rull                  Mindseye
                                            
Ovi_187                   Kitkun                 Extremor

                            Nay-           EadTaes                  Raging Amish

                        Fix homming mines AI to return to original deployment location(Advent)?
 
                            Yay-           JuleTron                  EadTaes              N3rull
                                             Mindseye                 Warlord Mike       Ovi_187
                                            
SivCorp                    Kitkun                Extremor
                                            
eoncommander

                            Nay-           Raging Amish

                        Make Gravity Mines an upgrade to existing mines?

                            Yay-           N3rull                      Juletron               Dargoon999
                                             Ue-Carbon               Deceiver_0           Mindseye
                                            
Kitkun                     Extremor
                                          

                            Nay-           EadTaes                  Raging Amish

      No fix needed-

SIEGE FRIGATES

Costing more than most Heavy Cruisers, one would expect siege frigates to be able to handle a simple task like bombing a planet to oblivion, but with their super thin and weak hulls they certainly aren't worth the cost, and with Entrenchments bombardment protection on starbases, siege frigates find themselves in the obsolete unit pile. Personally I think they should be tough as nails since all they do is bomb planets and cost loads of resources and precious supply. With a decent buff these units could be the terror they once were and possibly bring back some of the planetary defense tech that fell from use after their nerf. (planetary shielding anyone?)

      Buff Siege Frigates

                        Increase Hp/shields/armor?:
 
                              Yay-             Deceiver_0(Hp)     Volt_Cruelerz   Darvin3
                                                  Ryat
                   EadTaes         Dargoon999(10%)
                                                  N3rull(+nerf)        
Kitkun            eoncommander   


                              Nay-             Soasertsus         Cykur                Mindseye
                                                 Raging Amish      Ascension          Howdidudothat
                                                 Ovi_187              Sobric               Warlord Mike
                                                 Extremor

                        Change armor type (currently light)?:

                              Yay-             Deceiver_0(v. heavy)  Soasertsus(v. heavy)  Volt_Cruelerz(heavy/v.heavy)
                                                
EadTaes (heavy)        Dargoon999(heavy)    N3rull(heavy)
                                                
SivCorp                     Extremor(heavy)         eoncommander


                              Nay-             Darvin3              Cykur                Ryat
                                                
Mindseye            Raging Amish     Ascension
                                                
Howdidudothat     Ovi_187             Sobric
                                                
Warlord Mike       Kitkun
 
                        Decrease Resource cost?:

                              Yay-             Soasertsus        Darvin3               EadTaes
                                                  Howdidudothat
  Sobric                 Extremor              


                              Nay-             Volt_Cruelerz      Cykur                 Ryat 
                                                 Dargoon999        Mindseye           Raging Amish
                                                 Ascension           Ovi_187             Warlord Mike
                                                 Kitkun

                        Decrease Supply Cost?:

                              Yay-            Soasertsus(6)     Darvin3               Cykur
                                                 Ryat(10)           EadTaes(10)        Dargoon999(10)
                                                 Mindseye          Howdidudothat      Raging Amish(12)
                                                 Ascension(12)   Ovi_187                mbaron888(8)
                                                 Sobric              Warlord Mike         SivCorp
                                                 Kitkun              eoncommander

                             
                              Nay-            Volt_Cruelerz     Extremor  

                        Increase Bombardment damage?:

                              Yay-            Volt_Cruelerz     Dargoon999(20%) Warlord Mike
                                                 Extremor

             
                              Nay-            Soasertsus         Darvin3               Cykur
                                               
Ryat                  EadTaes              Mindseye
                                               
Raging Amish     Ascension            Howdidudothat
                                               
Ovi_187             Sobric                 SivCorp
                                               
Kitkun                eoncommander


                        Make TEC Heavy Fallout Active (currently passive)?:

                              Yay-             Deceiver_0        Soasertsus            Volt_Cruelerz
                                                 Darvin3            Cykur                   Ryat
                                                
Dargoon999      N3rull                   Mindseye
                                                 Raging Amish    Ovi_187               Sobric
                                                 Warlord Mike     Kitkun


                              Nay-             EadTaes           Ascension             Howdidudothat

                        Reduce Heavy Fallout effect time (currently 6 minutes)?:

                              Yay-             Darvin3          Sobric                     Warlord Mike

                             
                              Nay-             Soasertsus       Volt_Cruelerz          Cykur
                                                 Ryat                EadTaes                 Dargoon999
                                                
Mindseye         Raging Amish          Ascension
                                                
Howdidudothat  Ovi_187                 Kitkun

                        Reduce Xp value (currently 65xp)?:

                              Yay-             Soasertsus       Darvin3(40)            Cykur
                                                 EadTaes(15)     Dargoon999(30)     Ovi_187
                                                 Kitkun


                              Nay-             Volt_Cruelerz    Ryat                     Mindseye
                                                
Raging Amish   Ascension              Howdidudothat
                                                 Sobric              Warlord Mike
                       
                        Apply fixes to siege militia?:

                              Yay-             Deceiver_0         Soasertsus              Volt_Cruelerz
                                                
Darvin3              EadTaes                 Dargoon999
                                                 Raging Amish     Ovi_187                  Sobric
                                                 Warlord Mike      Kitkun                    Extremor

                            
                              Nay-             Ryat                  Ascension              Howdidudothat             

                        Apply fixes to siege pirates?:

                              Yay-             Darvin3              EadTaes                 Dargoon999
                                                 Raging Amish      Ovi_187                 Warlord Mike
                                                 Kitkun                Extremor


                              Nay-             Soasertsus         Volt_Cruelerz           Ryat
                                                 
Ascension          Howdidudothat         Sobric


      No Fix Needed-

 

SEREVUN OVERSEER

The overseer is a powerful, but seldom used ship due to it's current lack of usability. I'd recommend anyone planning on voting on this topic read a few of the replies on page 5, where Ascension and I debated some changes. I've also thrown in a few ideas to make overseers 'Jump Degradation' ability a little more potent for the 100AM and channeling it costs.

      Buff Serevun Overseers-
                       
                         Increase firing arc of abilities?:

                              Yay-              Deceiver_0           JuleTron                Volt_Cruelerz
                                                  Ascension            Soasertsus             milo896

                                                  Howdidudothat     lifekatana               N3rull
                                                  Mindseye            Cykur                     EadTaes
                                                 
Raging Amish      Ovi_187                 Warlord Mike  
                                                  Kitkun                 Extremor                eoncommander

                              Nay-             Pbhead                Sobric
                      
                         Increase turn rate?:

                              Yay-              Deceiver_0           JuleTron                Volt_Cruelerz
                                                  Ascension           
Soasertsus             milo896
                                                  Howdidudothat     lifekatana              N3rull
                                                 
Mindseye            Pbhead                  Raging Amish 
                                                  Ovi_187              Warlord Mike          Kitkun
                                                  Extremor             eoncommander

                              Nay-             EadTaes              Sobric                    SivCorp

                         Make 'Reactive nanite armor' omnidirectional (360 degrees)?:

                              Yay-              Ascension           Raging Amish          Sobric
                                                 
Warlord Mike       SivCorp                   Extremor

                              Nay-              Deceiver_0          Soasertsus              Darvin3                                              
                                                  milo896
              Howdidudothat         lifekatana
                                                  N3rull                 Mindseye                 Pbhead
                                                  EadTaes             Ovi_187                   Kitkun
                                                  eoncommander

                      
   Increase reduction of jump speed for 'Jump Degradation'?:

                              Yay-              milo896              Howdidudothat         Mindseye
                                                 
EadTaes              Ovi_187                  Sobric
                                                  Kitkun                 Extremor                 eoncommander

                              Nay-              Soasertsus          lifekatana               Pbhead
                                                  Raging Amish
 
                         Allow 'Jump Degradation' to do a damage % to incoming enemy vessels' hulls?:

                              Yay-              Deceiver_0 (5-10%)  Soasertsus(20%AM)  Darvin3
                                                  milo896              N3rull(speed reduction)  Kitkun
                                                  eoncommander

                              Nay-              Howdidudothat     lifekatana              Mindseye
                                                  Pbhead               EadTaes                 Raging Amish
                                                 
Ovi_187              Sobric                     Extremor

                        Allow 'Jump Degradation' to disable passive regeneration?

                              Yay-              Raging Amish       Deceiver_0              Diplominator
                                                  Juletron               
Sobric                    Extremor                 

                              Nay-              Ovi_187               Howdidudothat         Cykur
                                                  Kitkun

         No Fix Needed-


SKAROVAS ENFORCER

The relative weakness of the Enforcer has recently been brought to the forums attention (thanks JohnJames). With their higher resource cost, higher supply cost and more expensive upgrades, enforcers are unfortunately left in the dust by their counterparts. Many speculate that their extra ability (reintegration) is the cause for such a skewed balance, while others agree that reintegration lacks the power enforcers deserve. The following are some fixes that have been proposed. Personally, I think the Vasari should get a little more for what they pay for.

           Buff Skarovas Enforcers-

                         Decrease Resource Cost?:

                              Yay-              Ascension              EadTaes                  Sobric          

                              Nay-              Deceiver_0             Soasertsus               Volt_Cruelerz
                                                  lifekatana     
         Howdidudothat          Darvin3
                                                  Mindseye               Raging Amish            Ovi_187
                                                 
Warlord Mike          Kitkun                      Extremor  
                                                 
eoncommander      
               
                         Decrease Supply Cost?:

                              Yay-              Soasertsus             Sobric                       Extremor

                              Nay-              Deceiver_0             Volt_Cruelerz             lifekatana
                                           
       Howdidudothat        Darvin3                     Mindseye
                                                  EadTaes                 Raging Amish            Ovi_187
                                                 
Kitkun                    eoncommander

                     
    Increase hp/shields/armor?:

                              Yay-              Deceiver_0               Darvin3                   EadTaes(armor+1)
                                                  Raging Amish           SivCorp                   Kitkun
                                                  eoncommander
                           
                              Nay-              Volt_Cruelerz           Soasertsus               lifekatana
                                                 
Howdidudothat         Mindseye                 Ovi_187
                                                 
Sobric                     Extremor

                    
     Increase Damage?:

                              Yay-              Deceiver_0              Soasertsus                Ascension
                                                  JuleTron                 
Darvin3                    Howdidudothat
                                                  Mindseye                
Cykur                      EadTaes(22)
                                                  Raging Amish(21.6)  Ovi_187                   Sobric
                                                  Warlord Mike           SivCorp                    Kitkun
                                                  eoncommander

                              Nay-              Volt_Cruelerz           lifekatana                Extremor         

            
             Cheaper damage upgrades?:

                              Yay-              Deceiver_0              Volt_cruelerz              Top Vasari
                                                   Ascension               DesConnor                Raging Amish
                                                   N3rull                     lifekatana                 JuleTron 

                                                  
Darvin3                  Howdidudothat           Mindseye
                                                  
EadTaes                 Sobric                       Warlord Mike
                                                  
SivCorp                  Extremor                   eoncommander     

                              Nay-              Soasertsus              Ovi_187                    Kitkun

                    
     Higher reintegration rate?:

                              Yay-              Deceiver_0              Volt_cruelerz              Top Vasari
                                                  Soasertsus              N3rull                        lifekatana
                                                  JuleTron                
Darvin3                      Howdidudothat
                                                 
Ovi_187                  Sobric                        Kitkun

                              Nay-             Mindseye                 EadTaes                    Raging Amish 
                                                 Extremor

           No Fix Needed-                 Pbhead

DOMINA SUBJUGATORS

The domina has been an a lot of peoples (f spending money on that) list for sometime. I tested and observed the subjugator while I was examining carrier caps and wrote a report on them as well. Here's some fixes that have been proposed for the Domina as well as the Stilakus Subverter (whose destiny is quite intertwined with the domina). I'll be putting the Subverter question under the REPULSE section as it has to do more as a counter to it.

          Buff Domina Subjugators-

                         Increase firing arc of abilities?:

                                Yay-            Deceiver_0             Mindseye              Darvin3
                                                  Gugabalog            
Cykur(heal only)    Raging Amish
                                                 
Ovi_187                 Sobric                   Warlord Mike
                                                 
SivCorp                  Kitkun                   eoncommander       

                                Nay-            EadTaes                lifekatana             Pbhead

              
           Increase turn rate?:

                                Yay-            Deceiver_0             Darvin3                Gugabalog
                                                  Mindseye               Pbhead               
Raging Amish
                                                  Ovi_187                 Sobric                  Warlord Mike
                                                  Kitkun                    eoncommander

                                Nay-            EadTaes                lifekatana

                  
       Make abilities AOE?:

                                Yay-            Warlord Mike          SivCorp                eoncommander

                                Nay-            Deceiver_0             EadTaes               Gugabalog    
                                                  Darvin3                  lifekatana             Mindseye
                                                 
Pbhead                  Raging Amish        Ovi_187
                                                 
Sobric                    Kitkun

            
             Remove channeling from abilities?:

                               Yay-             EadTaes                Gugabalog             lifekatana
                                                 
Raging Amish         Sobric                   Warlord Mike
                                                  Kitkun

              
                 Nay-             Deceiver_0             Darvin3                 Mindseye
                                                 
Pbhead                  Ovi_187                SivCorp
                                                  eoncommander

                
         Fix Targeting AI (on all abilities for all races) to prevent wasteful use?:

                               Yay-             Deceiver_0             Darvin3                  EadTaes
                                                  Gugabalog             Soasertsus             lifekatana
                                                  Mindseye               Pbhead                 
Cykur
                                                 
Raging Amish         Ovi_187                 Sobric
                                                 
Warlord Mike          SivCorp                  Kitkun
                                                 
eoncommander


                               Nay-             Pbhead

           No Fix Needed-

CARRIER CLASS CAPITAL SHIPS

I've noticed people use Carrier Caps generally for 1 ability, and not for the strikecraft and SC bonuses they offer. Weaker than most other classes, they are sparse and somewhat unthreatening on the battle field. Personally I think they should offer more benefit in the strike craft department than they do now. I've written a detailed report on them, and taken some of the proposed changes from it for this thread.

             Buff Carrier Caps-

                        Increase Initial Armor?

                                Yay-          Deceiver_0              Soasertsus            Ryat
                                                Howdidudothat         Gugabalog          
Warlord Mike
                                                SivCorp                   Kitkun

                                Nay-          Darvin3                  -Ue_Carbon          mbaron888
                                                Pirate-Jack             EadTaes              DesConnor
                                                Swordsalmon          lifekatana           
Pbhead
                                                Raging Amish         Ovi_187               Sobric
                                                Extremor                eoncommander

            
            Increase Squadron Capacity?

                                Yay-          Deceiver_0 (see thread)  Soasertsus      Ryat
                                                -Ue_Carbon              ReadyMan           Howdidudothat
                                                mbaron888              Pirate-Jack          EadTaes
                                                DesConnor               Mindseye            Swordsalmon
                                                Gugabalog               N3rull                  lifekatana
                                                -aceca-                   Derek06              
Ovi_187
                                               
Sobric                     Warlord Mike        SivCorp
                                               
Kitkun                     Extremor             eoncommander

                                Nay-          Darvin3                  Raging Amish          

                
        Make SC buffs AOE?

                                Yay-          EadTaes               DesConnor               Swordsalmon
                                                Gugabalog           
Derek06                   Raging Amish
                                               
Sobric                   SivCorp                    Extremor
 
                                Nay-          Deceiver_0             Soasertsus              Ryat
                                                Darvin3                  -Ue_Carbon             Howdidudothat
                                                mbaron888            Pirate-Jack               lifekatana
                                               
Pbhead                  Ovi_187                  Kitkun
                                               
eoncommander


                        Increase additional drones(Adept Drone Anima)?

                                Yay-          Deceiver_0               Darvin3                 Howdidudothat
                                                 Mindseye                 Swordsalmon         Gugabalog
                                                
Derek06                  Raging Amish        Sobric 
                                               
SivCorp                    Kitkun               

               
                 Nay-          Soasertsus               Ryat                     -Ue_Carbon
                                                 mbaron888              Pirate-Jack           EadTaes
                                                DesConnor                lifekatana           
Pbhead
                                                Ovi_187                    Extremor             eoncommander

                        Re-work Scramble Bombers?

                                Yay-          Deceiver_0               Soasertsus            Ryat
                                                Darvin3                    -Ue_Carbon          Howdidudothat
                                                mbaron888              Pirate-Jack            EadTaes
                                                DesConnor               Mindseye              Swordsalmon   
                                                Gugabalog               N3rull                    lifekatana
                                                Pbhead                   
Derek06               Raging Amish
                                               
Ovi_187                   Sobric                   Warlord Mike
                                               
SivCorp                    Kitkun                  Extremor
                                                eoncommander

      
                          Nay-        

           No Fix Needed-

LIGHT FRIGATES

Most agree that Light Frigates don't scale well. Being limited in their usefulness early game, and becoming almsot complete obsolete late game with Heavy Cruiser research. Many ideas have been thrown around to get light frigates back on the battle field.

            Buff Light Frigates-

                        Increase Damage?:

                                  Yay-         TheRezonator       Gugabalog               Darvin3
                                                  -Ue_carbon          Howdidudothat         JuleTron
                                                  Pirate-Jack          N3rull                      Ascension
                                                 
Cykur                  Dargoon999(20%)   Raging Amish(Vasari: 12)
                                                 
Ovi_187              SivCorp(10%)          

             
                     Nay-         Volt_cruelerz         mbaron888              DesConnor
                                                 lifekatana            
Pbhead                   EadTaes
                                                 Sobric                   Kitkun                     Extremor
                                                 eoncommander

                 
       Increase Damage bonus to heavy armor type?:

                                  Yay-         Deceiver_0           TheRezonator           Gugabalog
                                                 -Ue_carbon          JuleTron                  Pirate-Jack
                                                 Howdidudothat     mbaron888              DesConnor(Light)
            
                                     Ascension            lifekatana                EadTaes
                                                 Dargoon999         Raging Amish(175%+)   Ovi_187
                                                 Sobric                  SivCorp(25%)           Kitkun
                                                
Extremor             eoncommander

                                  Nay-         Volt_cruelerz        Pbhead    
                
   
                        Increase Hp/Shields/Armor?:

                                  Yay-          Deceiver_0(armor)      TheRezonator     Gugabalog
                                                  Darvin3                      JuleTron            Ascension
                                                  lifekatana                 
Dargoon999(10%)  Ovi_187
                                                  Warlord Mike              eoncommander

                                  Nay-          Volt_cruelerz       Pirate-Jack               Howdidudothat
                                                   mbaron888        DesConnor              
Pbhead
                                                   EadTaes            Raging Amish           Sobric
                                                   SivCorp             Kitkun                      Extremor
                  
                         Increase ability range?:

                                  Yay-          Deceiver_0          TheRezonator            Gugabalog
                                                  Volt_cruelerz       -Ue_carbon                JuleTron
                                                  Ascension          
Eadtaes                     Dargoon999
                                                  Raging Amish      Ovi_187                    Sobric
                                                  Kitkun                Extremor                   eoncommander
 
                                  Nay-          Howdidudothat    mbaron888               DesConnor
                                                  lifekatana          
Pbhead                   
                                                  
                 
       Increase firing arc?:

                                  Yay-          TheRezonator       Gugabalog              -Ue_carbon
                                                  JuleTron               Pirate-Jack               Howdidudothat
                                                  DesConnor            N3rull                      Ascension
                                                 
Eadtaes                Raging Amish           Sobric
                                                  Warlord Mike        SivCorp                    Extremor

                                  Nay-          Volt_cruelerz         mbaron888               lifekatana
                                                 
Pbhead                Dargoon999              Ovi_187
                                                  Kitkun                  eoncommander

           
             Increase turn speed?:

                                  Yay-          Darvin3                 EadTaes                TheRezonator
                                                  Pirate-Jack             ReadyMan            Howdidudothat
                                                  mbaron888            DesConnor            Mindseye
                                                  N3rull                    Ascension              Pbhead
                                                 
Eadtaes                 Dargoon999          Raging Amish
                                                 
Ovi_187                 Sobric                  Warlord Mike
                                                 
SivCorp                  Extremor              eoncommander

                                  Nay-         lifekatana              Kitkun

             Tweak Targeting AI to favor support cruisers?:

                                  Yay-         Deceiver_0           TheRezonator           Gugabalog
                                                 Darvin3               Volt_cruelerz             JuleTron
                                                 Pirate-Jack           mbaron888               DesConnor
                                                 N3rull                  Ascension                  lifekatana
                                                
Eadtaes               Dargoon999              Raging Amish
                                                
Ovi_187               Sobric                      Warlord Mike
                                                
SivCorp                Kitkun                     Extremor
                                                 eoncommander

                                  Nay-        Howdidudothat      Pbhead

     
        Nerf Counters-

                          Decrease LRF Damage?:
   
                                  Yay-          Proletari                Darvin3               Azrak_Navarion
                                                 ReadyMan             Howdidudothat     Mindseye
                                                 Ascension             
Eadtaes               Dargoon999(10%)

                                  Nay-          Deceiver_0           Volt_cruelerz          Pirate-Jack
                                                  mbaron888          DesConnor             lifekatana
                                                 
Pbhead               Raging Amish         Ovi_187
                                                 
Sobric                 Warlord Mike           Kitkun
                                                 
Extremor             eoncommander

                          Decrease LRF damage bonus to medium armor?

                                  Yay-         Deceiver_0(125%)  Ovi_187              Howdidudothat
                                                
Sobric                   eoncommander

                                  Nay-         N3rull                    Cykur                 Warlord Mike
                                                
Kitkun                   Extremor

                          Increase LRF resource cost?:

                                  Yay-         Extremor

                                  Nay-         Deceiver_0            Pirate-Jack          Howdidudothat
                                                 mbaron888            DesConnor         lifekatana
                                                
Pbhead                 Eadtaes              Dargoon999
                                                 Raging Amish        Ovi_187              Sobric
                                                
Warlord Mike         Kitkun                 eoncommander

         
    No Fix Needed-                Soasertsus              dresda

REPULSE:


Many have said repulse needs a fix. Personally I agree.


            Nerf Guardians-

                        Increase AM cost?:

                                    Yay-     Deceiver_0               Raging Amish         crashmatusow
                                                Ascension                 Pirate - Jack           Volt_cruelerz
                                                Tohron                     Darvin 3                 Top vasari
                                                mbaron888               Proletari                -Ue_carbon
                                                Major  Stress            Mindseye                Azrak_Navarion
                                                lbgsloan                   Gugabalog              Soasertsus
                                                Howdidudothat          JuleTron                 DesConnor
                                                lifekatana                -aceca-                  
Derek06
                                                Cykur                      Ovi_187                  Sobric
                                               
Warlord Mike            SivCorp                  Kitkun
                                               
Extremor                  eoncommander   
                                              
                                    Nay-    dresda

                        Increase cooldown rate?

                                    Yay-      Raging Amish            Deceiver_0             Howdidudothat
                                               
Kitkun                       Extremor               eoncommander

                                    Nay-      Ovi_187                  Juletron                   Sobric
                                                 Cykur

                        Decrease AOE?:

                                    Yay-     Gugabalog                 -Ue_carbon            DesConnor
                                              
eoncommander

                    
                Nay-     Pirate - Jack             Major  Stress         crashmatusow
                                               Mindseye                 Soasertsus              Howdidudothat
                                               dresda                     lifekatana             
Pbhead
                                              
Derek06                  Raging Amish         Ovi_187
                                              
Sobric                     Warlord Mike          Kitkun
                                              
Extremor    

            
            Increase resource cost?:

                                    Yay-      Ascension                Volt_cruelerz           Sobric
                                               
Extremor          

                     
               Nay-      Pirate - Jack            Major  Stress           Soasertsus
                                                 Mindseye                 Gugabalog            Howdidudothat
                                                 dresda                    DesConnor             lifekatana
                                                
Pbhead                   Derek06                 Raging Amish
                                               
Ovi_187                   Warlord Mike           Kitkun 
                                               
eoncommander 

             
            Cause damage to shields?:

                                    Yay-      EadTaes                  Volt_cruelerz        dresda

                        
            Nay-      Major  Stress           Mindseye             Soasertsus
                                                Gugabalog              Howdidudothat      DesConnor
                                                lifekatana              
Pbhead                Derek06
                                                Raging Amish         Ovi_187                Sobric
                                                Warlord Mike         Kitkun                    Extremor
                                               
eoncommander 
 
      
       Buff Counters-

                        Increase LF ability range?:

                                    Yay-     Gugabalog                TheRezonator         Volt_cruelerz
                                               
Derek06                   Raging Amish         Sobric
                                               
SivCorp                    Kitkun                   Extremor
                                               
eoncommander          

                      
              Nay-     Pirate - Jack             Major  Stress          Soasertsus
                                               Mindseye                  DesConnor            lifekatana
                                              
Pbhead                     Ovi_187


          
              No affect to Cap Ships?:

                                    Yay-     Pirate - Jack             Major  Stress         Volt_cruelerz
                                               DesConnor               Cykur                  
Warlord Mike
                                              
SivCorp                    Kitkun                  Extremor
                                               eoncommander

                                    Nay-    Mindseye                  Gugabalog              Soasertsus   
                                              lifekatana                 
Pbhead                  Derek06
                                             
Raging Amish            Ovi_187                  Sobric

        
                 Increase Distortion Field (targeting) range?:

                                    Yay-     Deceiver_0               Soasertsus              Sobric
                                              
Kitkun                      eoncommander

                   
                 Nay-     lifekatana                crashmatusow          Pbhead
                                               Raging Amish           Ovi_187                  Extremor
     


            No Fix Needed-

MISSILE BARRAGE:

This has been a heated issue for several months. In the most recent patch, the devs made the graphic unique (red missile exhaust?) and extended the duration while reducing dps. Was this enough?


            Nerf Missile Barrage-

                        Decrease total damage?:

                                    Yay-      Extremor

                                    Nay-      mbaron888             Gugabalog             TheRezonator
                                                 Volt_cruelerz          -Ue_carbon           Howdidudothat
                                                 DesConnor            
Derek06                Raging Amish
                                                
Ovi_187                 Sobric                   Warlord Mike 

               
         Increase AM cost?

                                    Yay-      Ascension               Ovi_187

                         
           Nay-      mbaron888             Gugabalog            TheRezonator
                                                 Volt_cruelerz           -Ue_carbon           Howdidudothat
                                                 DesConnor             
Derek06              Raging Amish
                                                 Sobric                     Warlord Mike       Extremor
                                      
              
          Decrease AOE?

                                    Yay-      Tohron                     mbaron888           Howdidudothat
                                                 JuleTron                  DesConnor           
Sobric

                    
                Nay-      Gugabalog                TheRezonator       Volt_cruelerz
                                                 -Ue_carbon              
Derek06               Raging Amish 
                                               
Ovi_187                    Warlord Mike         Extremor                          

        
    Buff Counters-

                        Increase range on ability interrupts?:

                                    Yay-     Tohron                   TheRezonator          Raging Amish
                                               Ovi_187                  Sobric                     Extremor

                     
               Nay-     Gugabalog              Volt_cruelerz            -Ue_carbon
                                                Howdidudothat        DesConnor

           
              LF abilities can target caps?:

                                    Yay-      Gugabalog             TheRezonator       Sobric
                                                Warlord Mike

                       
             Nay-      Volt_cruelerz         -Ue_carbon            Howdidudothat
                                                DesConnor             N3rull                  
Derek06
                                               
Raging Amish         Ovi_187               Extremor

               
        Graphic/Audio Improvement?:
 
                                    Yay-     Eadtaes                   Deceiver_0            Volt_cruelerz
                                               Gugabalog               TheRezonator        -Ue_carbon
                                               Howdidudothat          N3rull                   lifekatana
                                              
Derek06                   Cykur                   Raging Amish
                                              
Ovi_187                   Sobric                   Warlord Mike
                                               SivCorp                   Kitkun                   Extremor
                                               eoncommander

                                     Nay-    DesConnor

            No Fix Needed-             Deceiver_0                EadTaes             Azrak_Navarion
                                              Major  Stress             Top vasari          Soasertsus
                                              ReadyMan                 lifekatana
         SivCorp
                                              
Kitkun                      eoncommander       


CARRIERS:

Extensively nerfed in the previous 2 patches, carriers have lost their place as a hard counter to long ranged frigates, as flak frigates can now destroy fighters much faster than they are built, and long ranged frigates can now hunt the carriers themselves down.


            Buff Carriers-

                        Decrease build penalty?:

                                    Yay-     Deceiver_0                Ascension            crashmatusow
                                               Pirate - Jack              mbaron888          Volt_cruelerz
                                               lbgsloan                    Gugabalog           Top vasari
                                               Soasertsus                Howdidudothat      JuleTron
                                               N3rull                        lifekatana           
Derek06
                                              
Cykur                       Ovi_187                Sobric
                                               Warlord Mike             SivCorp                Kitkun
                                              
eoncommander 

                                    Nay-     DesConnor                Raging Amish       Extremor

                       
Increase fighter HP?:

                                    Yay-    Ascension                  Mindseye              Azrak_Navarion
                                              Gugabalog                 Howdidudothat     
Derek06
                                              Extremor

                     
               Nay-    Pirate - Jack             mbaron888             Volt_cruelerz
                                              Soasertsus                DesConnor             lifekatana
                                             
Raging Amish            Ovi_187                 Sobric
                                              Warlord Mike            SivCorp                  Kitkun 

           
             Reduce movement penalty?:

                                    Yay-     Tohron                    Soasertsus              Raging Amish
                                               mbaron888              Gugabalog              Howdidudothat
                                               JuleTron                  ReadyMan               DesConnor
                                              
Derek06                  Sobric                     SivCorp
                                               Extremor            

                                    Nay-     Pirate - Jack            crashmatusow         lifekatana
                                               
Cykur                     Deceiver_0             Ovi_187
                                              
Kitkun 

         
   Nerf Counters-

                        Reduce Flak rate of fire?:

                                   Yay-         EadTaes                Warlord Mike        eoncommander

                  
                 Nay-         Mindseye               Gugabalog           Volt_cruelerz
                                                  Soasertsus             Howdidudothat     DesConnor
                                                  lifekatana              
Raging Amish      Ovi_187
                                                 
Sobric                    Kitkun                  Extremor


            No Fix Needed-                 Major  Stress         -Ue_carbon            Pbhead

SCOUTS:

With the recent nerf to carriers, scouts have come to the forefront as a decent anti-lrf ship, and with their new found popularity some changes have been suggested.


            Nerf Scouts-

                        Reduce damage buff against light armor?:

                                    Yay-      Volt_cruelerz            Ovi_187

                          
          Nay-      Deceiver_0               Ascension             Soasertsus
                                                Gugabalog                Howdidudothat     
Derek06
                                               
Raging Amish           Sobric                   Warlord Mike 
                                               
Kitkun                     Extremor

                        Increase scout supply requirement?:

                                    Yay-

                                    Nay-      Ascension                Pirate - Jack         Volt_cruelerz
                                                Gugabalog               TheRezonator       Soasertsus
                                                 Howdidudothat        
Derek06              Raging Amish
                                                
Ovi_187                  Sobric                  Warlord Mike 
                                               
Kitkun                      Extremor
 

                        Increase resource cost?:

                                    Yay-

                                    Nay-      Ascension               Pirate - Jack           Volt_cruelerz
                                                Gugabalog              TheRezonator         Soasertsus
                                                 Howdidudothat       
Derek06                 Raging Amish 
                                                
Ovi_187                 Sobric                     Warlord Mike 
                                               
Kitkun                     Extremor
                                
      
      Buff Vasari Scouts-

                        Increase Hp/Shields?:

                                    Yay-     Deceiver_0              Raging Amish         Volt_cruelerz
                                                Ascension               Pirate - Jack             Soasertsus
                                                Mindseye                TheRezonator           Howdidudothat
                                               
Derek06                 Sobric                      Warlord Mike
                                               
SivCorp                  Kitkun                      Dargoon999
                                                Extremor

                   
                  Nay-   Gugabalog               Ovi_187

                 
       Increase damage?:

                                    Yay-      Ascension              Raging Amish           Volt_cruelerz
                                                Gugabalog             TheRezonator           Soasertsus
                                                Howdidudothat       
Derek06                  Cykur(+.5dps)
                                                Ovi_187                 Sobric                      Warlord Mike
                                               
SivCorp                  Kitkun                      Dargoon999
                                               
                                    Nay-      Extremor


            No Fix Needed-              EadTaes                 mbaron888            JuleTron
                                               Major  Stress          -Ue_carbon              ReadyMan
                                               DesConnor              lifekatana             
Pbhead
                                              
eoncommander

ILLUMINATORS:

The relative strength of illuminators has been under debate for some time, and many fixes have been proposed, here are a few, let me know if you’ve got others. I've done my own research, and have posted my findings.


            Nerf Illuminators-

                        Increase resource cost?:
 
                                    Yay-      Ascension               Volt_cruelerz           Ovi_187
                                                Pirate - Jack           EadTaes                 Top vasari
                                                lbgsloan                 Gugabalog              Azrak_Navarion
                                                Soasertsus              Howdidudothat       
Derek06
                                                Extremor

                         
            Nay-     Major  Stress          -Ue_carbon              lifekatana
                                               
Raging Amish         Sobric                     Warlord Mike
                                                
Kitkun                  eoncommander
                                               

         
               Adjust damage division between beams?:

                                    Yay-    Deceiver_0(33%)    mbaron888               -Ue_carbon
                                              Gugabalog             DesConnor                N3rull
                                               Ascension            
Derek06                   Raging Amish(33%)
                                               Ovi_187               Sobric                       Warlord Mike
                                              
eoncommander 

                                    Nay-    Pirate - Jack          Major  Stress             Soasertsus
                                              Howdidudothat       lifekatana                 
Kitkun
                                             
Extremor            

                        Decrease/adjust the HP/Shields?:

                                   Yay-      Pirate - Jack (hp only)        EadTaes          TheRezonator
                                               Ascension              Gugabalog                  -Ue_carbon
                                               Soasertsus             Howdidudothat            DesConnor
                                               -aceca-                 
Derek06                      Cykur
                                               Raging Amish(Hp&Armor)  Ovi_187            Sobric 
                                              
Warlord Mike           SivCorp                     Kitkun
                                              
Extremor(450/500)  eoncommander

                        
           Nay-      Major  Stress        Volt_cruelerz                Soasertsus
                                               lifekatana           


                        Increase supply requirement?:

                                  Yay-        DesConnor            Derek06               Kitkun 

                
                  Nay-        Pirate - Jack          Major  Stress         Volt_cruelerz
                                                Gugabalog             Soasertsus            Howdidudothat
                                                lifekatana             
Raging Amish        Ovi_187   
                                               
Sobric                    Warlord Mike         Extremor 
                                               
eoncommander        
 
                        Decrease Damage?:
 
                                  Yay-        EadTaes                Ascension               Soasertsus
                                                Major  Stress        Gugabalog                ReadyMan
                                                DesConnor(Caps only)  N3rull                lifekatana
                                               
Ovi_187                Extremor          

                      
            Nay-        Volt_cruelerz        -Ue_carbon            Howdidudothat
                                               
Derek06              Raging Amish         Sobric
                                               
Warlord Mike        Kitkun                    eoncommander

                             
                  

            No Fix Needed-             mbaron888           Mindseye               dresda
                                             
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More to come-

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Reply #51 Top

This thread is pointless dude.  All of the advent players are not going to want to nerf their units, but will be glad to nerf other races.  This is such a good idea, but its obvious that people like mindseye who play advent are not going to support a nerf of any advent ship...

Reply #52 Top

Nightrad3r you should look around a bit before you start labeling people.If you read the op at all you will see I am in for a nerf to the guardian.I am in for a buff to fighters which is the ilums counter and and indirect nerf to it.I have always tried to put in for the game to be as balanced as it can be. I like all 3 races and play them all too.I am in for a buff to vas scout.I have posted many buffs for tec and some for vas as well.Alot of cap buffs.It is natural to be somewhat biased to your fav race and to want to keep some of their advantages because thats what makes them fun.I was against the mb nerf which is a counter to ilums.I have never really been an ilum spammer either.I have always been more carrier oriented + rapture.Pretty rude man...

Reply #53 Top

Since new topics have been added since I last looked, here are my opinions on light frigates:

1) Increase Damage: Yes on the condition that 2 remains unchanged)

2) Increase Damage to Armour Type: Yes (on the condition that 1 remains unchanged)

3) Increase HP/Shields/Armour: No

4) Increase Ability Range: Neutral (since I can't remember anything about them atm >_>)

5) Increase Firing Arc: Yes

6) Increase Turn Speed: Yes (LFs should be very nimble due to their small build)

7) Tweak Targetting AI: Yes (this very much so)

8) Decrease LRF Damage: No (They're supposed to counter LFs, if nothing else)

9) Increase Resource Cost: No

 

Reply #54 Top

This thread is pointless dude.

 

Mindseye is right.

Even heavy Advent players are supporting nerfs to advent units for the sake of balance. Most everyone who has posted here seems to think increasing repulse AM cost is the way to go, and many are supporting higher cost for illums.

It seems that despite peoples favoritism, they would like to see the game balanced more than keep their favorite race the same.

I'd love to get your take on these topics Nightraid3r, let me know what you're down for or not down for.

Big update coming to this thread too.

Reply #55 Top

Carrier cap:

yay

yay

nay

nay

yay

also I would like to propose a 10% DPS increase for colony and carrier caps as well as a slight armor increase for colony caps.

Reply #56 Top

Carrier Caps:

  • nay
  • nay
  • nay
  • yay
  • yay

 

If you're going to bring up support cruisers (with a buff in mind) should be subverters and subjugators.  Cielos and Overseers are fine; not great, but they're doing their job.

Again, I think siege frigates are a good potential topic to vote on, since that unit is completely unused in the current build.

Reply #57 Top

Carrier Caps

Im gonna have to  say Nay for armor for now, ( if you give them alot more squads then I will still keep my stance but if keep the squads low, then a boost would be ok.)

A big YES for more squads.

A Nay for AoE

Nay

Yeah, a reduction in cooldown and maybe a ever so slight AM reduction would be ok.

Reply #58 Top

Crud, I spent time answering everything, but the reply didnt take....so I'll sum up:

Leave MB alone.

Buff carrier speed

Buff lt. frigates turn speed and decrease LRM damage to them slightly

Leave scouts alone

carrier caps need more fighter capacity

Illums need less damage

 

Thanks for your work on this Deceiver!

Reply #59 Top


            Buff Light Frigates-

                        Increase Damage?:  Y

                        Increase Damage bonus to armor type?:  Y

                    
                        Increase Hp/Shields/Armor?:  N

                   
                      
   Increase ability range?:  N


                        Increase firing arc?:  Y


                   
     Increase turn speed?:  Y  (This needs to be changed to increase acceleration)


             Tweak Targeting AI to favor support cruisers?:  N


             Nerf Counters-

                          Decrease LRF Damage?:  Y (This needs to be changed to decrease damage bonus against LF)
    

                      
    Increase resource cost?:  N



             Buff Carrier Caps-

                        Increase Initial Armor?  Y

 
                        Increase Squadron Capacity?  Y


                        Make SC buffs AOE?  N


                    
    Increase additional drones(Adept Drone Anima)?  Y


                        Re-work Scramble Bombers?  Y

Reply #60 Top

LIGHT FRIGATES

            Buff Light Frigates-

                        Increase Damage?: Nay-  
                        Increase Damage bonus to armor type?: Yay-

If I'm understanding the questions here then I would leave the dps alone but remove the .75 damage nerf against LIGHT armor
                   
                        Increase Hp/Shields/Armor?: Nay-   

                        Increase ability range?: Nay-

                        Increase firing arc?: Nay-

                        Increase turn speed?: Yay-

IMO a light frigate should be about hit and run. They should turn faster than a Long Range Frigate.

             Tweak Targeting AI to favor support cruisers?: Yay-

A light frigate is the counter to support cruisers so make them attack them. Reduces micro.


             Nerf Counters-

                          Decrease LRF Damage?: Nay-

                          Increase resource cost?: Nay-

LRF are the LF counter so their armor type modifier should remain.

CARRIER CLASS CAPITAL SHIPS

             Buff Carrier Caps-

                        Increase Initial Armor? Nay-

                        Increase Squadron Capacity? Yay- Yay- FREAKIN YAY-!!!!!!!!!!!!

                        Make SC buffs AOE? Nay-      

                        Increase additional drones(Adept Drone Anima)? Nay-
                              
                        Re-work Scramble Bombers? Yay-

I think the Advent Halcyon is the best carrier in the game. Increasing squads would be enough of a buff. Make the capital carrier a REAL carrier. They should start with 3 squads or start with 2 and give them an extra at level 2. I'd like to see them top out to 8 squads at Level 10. Right now they top at 6 squads right? 6 is too few.

Reply #61 Top

WE I replied in your Carrier thrad so take your vote from what I wrote there. One thing I realy do not want ot see is Adept drone Anima give more SC if the carrier them selves GET more SC wings.

Reply #62 Top

 If you want more people to respond, a form they could copy might be an advantage.

           Nerf Guardians-

                        Increase AM cost?:  Yes                                
                        Decrease AOE?:       Yes           
              
          Increase resource cost?: No        
               
         Cause damage to shields?: No                              
         
   Buff Counters-
                        Increase LF ability range?  No
                        No affect to Cap Ships? Yes                                 
            Nerf Missile Barrage-
                        Decrease total damage? No, revert to v1.16
                  
      Increase AM cost? No
                        Decrease AOE? Yes

            Buff Counters-

                        Increase range on ability interrupts?:  No        
                        LF abilities can target caps?  No                             
                
        Graphic Improvement?: No

            Buff Carriers-

                     Decrease build penalty?:      No                           
                     Increase fighter HP?             No 
                   
  Reduce movement penalty?   Revert to v1.16
      
      Nerf Counters-
                        Reduce Flak rate of fire?  No                          
            Nerf Scouts-
                        Reduce damage buff against light armor?: No                               
                
        Increase scout supply requirement?:  No                              
                       
 Increase resource cost?: No

            Buff Vasari Scouts-

                    Increase Hp/Shields?: No
                    Increase damage?  No                                  
            
            Nerf Illuminators-
                        Increase resource cost? No

                        Adjust damage division between beams?:  Yes, to previous          
                   
     Decrease/adjust the HP/Shields?: Decrease hull to previous

                        Increase supply requirement?  Increase all LRM    

                  
      Decrease Damage?: No, but decrease all LRM damage to capital ship class armour


            Buff Light Frigates-

                        Increase Damage?: No      
                        Increase Damage bonus to armor type?:  Yes to LRM type.                         
                        Increase Hp/Shields/Armor?  No                      
                      
  Increase ability range? No       
                        Increase firing arc?: Yes
                   
     Increase turn speed?: Yes

             [Also, decrease supply cost]

             Tweak Targeting AI to favor support cruisers?: Yes

             Nerf Counters-

                          Decrease LRF Damage?: No                          
                      
    Increase resource cost? No                          


             Buff Carrier Caps-

                        Increase Initial Armor? No                         
                        Increase Squadron Capacity? Slightly                     

                      Make SC buffs AOE? Yes

                      Increase additional drones(Adept Drone Anima? No
                      Re-work Scramble Bombers? Yes

 Domina Subjugators and Subverters:  Extend range on Subjugators, reduce nerf on Subverters 

Others:

     Turrets extended range (more than LRM, less than assault), costs on turrets and hangars 50%.

     Returning fleets at no cost, limit numbers.  Minelayer mines at no cost, limit numbers in play.

     Add two phase inhibitors to standard pirate base.

     Intercept to cancel Repulsion, as a passive feature of the ability.

     Militia (apart from siege) to target constructor frigates as a first priority.  AI to target phase inhibitors and repair as a top priority. 

Reply #63 Top

Carrier Caps

Increase Armour: No (They're meant to be support ships, not bruisers that can outlast the damage dealing caps in the fleet, colony caps are the only ones with less armour for a reason. Imagine the Space Egg with 5 armour O_O)

Increase Squadron Cap: Yes

SC Buffs AOE: No

Additional Drones: No

Rework Scramble Bombers: Yes

Reply #64 Top

Imagine the Space Egg with 5 armour

Problem is the Egg is supposed to be weaker than carrier caps. Yet it eats them for breakfast. Poor things, eaten by a breakfast item.

Reply #65 Top

Put me down for lf turn rate increase and lrf nerf to lf.

Reply #66 Top

Quoting Deceiver_0, reply 14

Imagine the Space Egg with 5 armour
Problem is the Egg is supposed to be weaker than carrier caps. Yet it eats them for breakfast. Poor things, eaten by a breakfast item.

As the carrier caps are supposed to be weaker (in toughness and dps) than the 'battle caps'. They're meant to be support ships that give buffs to the fleet and SC, not battleships with fighter coverage.

Reply #67 Top

carrier caps

yay for additional squads

yay for rework scramble and addittional drone

Reply #68 Top

dominas i vote for change that allows it to cast without facing target

Reply #69 Top

Yay to increasing the Subverters distortion feid range

Im not going to comment on Dominas, the reason  being I dont usualy play Advent and Ive never seen them in mp so I dont know enough about them..

Reply #70 Top

For Carrier Capitals.

1. Increase Initial Armour?

-Nay

2. Increase Strikecraft Capacity?

-Yay

3. Make SC buffs AOE?

-Yay

4. Increase additional drones (Adept Drone Anima)?

-Yay

5. Rework Scramble Bombers?

-Yay

Reply #71 Top

Buff Carrier Caps-
Increase Initial Armor: No do not touch their HP armor weapons.                      
Increase Squadron Capacity: yes 4 starting toping out at 10 at lvl 10
Make SC buffs AOE? Yes, only Heavy Strike craft abilati need to be made AoE the rest that need to be are already AoE
Increase additional drones(Adept Drone Anima?): No, this abilaty is gettign buffed by default by adding more SC wings. So lets not double buff.
Re-work Scramble Bombers? Yes It neeeds a rework I posted it in the carrier cap thread.

 

BTW, DesConnor, for a relatively new guy you have donne your homework well.

Reply #72 Top

Increase firing arc of abilities?: No                
Increase turn rate?: No
Make abilities AOE?: No
Remove channeling from abilities?: Yes but at a cost of higher AM consumtion.

Reply #73 Top

Remove channeling from abilities?: Yes but at a cost of higher AM consumtion

not sure if you realize, suppression costs 75AM (disables weapons, phase drives and abilities on 1 ship) and perserverance cost 150AM.(Heals 25hp/s and prevents any systems from being disabled for 40 secs)<-- Negative buffs can still apply.

How much are you thinking of increasing those?

Reply #74 Top

Their cost is well justified. Think combos and upgraes.

Reply #75 Top

Subjugators

  • yay
  • yay
  • nay
  • nay

Their AI needs some help; improving their targeting AI should definitely be a part of that list (to which I'd say yay)