Patch Stat Changes Forum [NEW TOPIC: Adjudicators 8/25/09]!!
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For Sins 1.18 and Entrenchment 1.04
This is a post that I will update regularly to give the DEVS a better idea of what people think should be done to stats in the next patch. This is ONLY for patches, no new ships or elaborate concepts for the next expansion. This is for dealing with peoples’ concerns about balance. If there’s a balance idea you have that’s not on here, post it and I’ll put it up for voting if it seems valid. I love the fact that ICO pays attention to the forums and what people suggest, I’d like to make it easier for them. The idea is to have all ideas posted straight forward and ranked so the DEVS don’t have to sift through pages and pages to find popular ideas. SP and MP players are both welcome to comment. Post yay or nay for any idea you like or dislike (be specific please) or say no fix needed. If you’d like I’ll also insert specific values you may come up with. Some votes will be taken from other threads.
* Topics shoud be considered independent of eachother, vote for each topic as if the Devs were to choose only 1. Yay for fixes that you think would work, nay for fixes that you think won't*
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REFERENCES
Several members of the community have taken it upon themselves to run tests to prove imbalances and recommend possible fixes. I would Encourage everyone commenting here to read these and become more informed.
Raging Amish's Lums vs Enforcers JJs HC Tests JJs Illum Tests
Deceivers Subjugator thread Deceivers Cap Carrier thread
Game Bugs
These need to be addressed before anything else. The following is a compiled list of all known game bugs. Thanks to Pawelo for helping me compile and test these. If you can think of any others that aren't on here leave a comment to let me know.
-Embargo Level 2 and 3 do not stop cargo ships.
-Phasic Trap Research level 2 does not do anything.
-Magnetize does not interrupt channeled abilities
-Disruptive Strikes does not work on pulse beams
-Allegiance through wormholes is flawed.
-Wrong Sound effects on: Anima Tempest, repair cloud, nanite armor, EMP blast
-Infocard errors: Dunov shield restore does not increase mitigation, labs do not speed up build time
-Akkan Colonize ability does not always spawn extractors at lvl2 and lvl3.
-Subverters Disrupt Shields can not target structures with shields
-Some musics and Orange Skybox are not used.
SOLANUS ADJUDICATORS
The adjudicator, while it can target multiple structures, just doesnt have the punch its TEC cousin the Ogrovs has and has difficulty handling tight clusters of structures supported by repair bays. Also, without a well functioning healing unit, the poor adjudicator simply cant live long enough in the throws of battle to make a huge difference. We've discussed the changes, now its time to get official votes on them.
Buff the Adjudicator-
Change armor type?:
Yay- JuleTron Kitkun N3rull
eoncommander
Nay- Dargoon999 Warlord Mike
Reduce supply cost?:
Yay- JuleTron Kitkun Dargoon999
Warlord Mike Darvin3 SivCorp
eoncommander
Nay-
Reduce number of firing banks to increase damage per target?:
Yay- Warlord Mike eoncommander
Nay- Kitkun N3rull Dargoon999
Increase damage?:
Yay- Warlord Mike eoncommander
Nay- Kitkun Dargoon999
Increase shields?:
Yay- JuleTron Kitkun eoncommander
Nay- Dargoon999 Warlord Mike
No Fix Needed- Ryat Extremor
MINES
These little critters were introduced in Entrenchment and have been seldom used. They are purely defensive, extremely expensive, and a huge gamble to put your money in. There's been much discussion on possible fixes, but now its time for an official vote, so here you go.
Buff Mines
Increase damage?
Yay- Juletron Whiskey144 SivCorp
Extremor
Nay- EadTaes Raging Amish Ovi_187
Kitkun eoncommander
Increase damage radius?
Yay- Top Vasari Whiskey144 EadTaes
Warlord Mike Ovi_187 SivCorp
Extremor eoncommander
Nay- Juletron N3rull Raging Amish
Kitkun
Increase activation radius?
Yay- Warlord Mike eoncommander
Nay- EadTaes JuleTron N3rull
Raging Amish Ovi_187 Kitkun
Extremor
Increase mines per deployment?
Yay- eoncommander
Nay- EadTaes N3rull Raging Amish
Warlord Mike Ovi_187 Kitkun
Extremor
Increase deployment spread?
Yay- Warlord Mike Extremor eoncommander
Nay- Juletron EadTaes N3rull
Raging Amish Ovi_187 Kitkun
Decrease cost?
Yay- Juletron Mindseye(25%) EadTaes(25%)
Dargoon999 Whiskey144 N3rull(20%)
Warlord Mike Ovi_187 Kitkun
Extremor
Nay- Raging Amish eoncommander
Reduce build time for Proximity Mines(TEC)?
Yay- Juletron Whiskey144 EadTaes
Raging Amish Warlord Mike Ovi_187
Kitkun Extremor
Nay-
Increase duration of Gravity Mines(Vasari)?
Yay- Juletron N3rull Mindseye
Ovi_187 Kitkun Extremor
Nay- EadTaes Raging Amish
Fix homming mines AI to return to original deployment location(Advent)?
Yay- JuleTron EadTaes N3rull
Mindseye Warlord Mike Ovi_187
SivCorp Kitkun Extremor
eoncommander
Nay- Raging Amish
Make Gravity Mines an upgrade to existing mines?
Yay- N3rull Juletron Dargoon999
Ue-Carbon Deceiver_0 Mindseye
Kitkun Extremor
Nay- EadTaes Raging Amish
No fix needed-
SIEGE FRIGATES
Costing more than most Heavy Cruisers, one would expect siege frigates to be able to handle a simple task like bombing a planet to oblivion, but with their super thin and weak hulls they certainly aren't worth the cost, and with Entrenchments bombardment protection on starbases, siege frigates find themselves in the obsolete unit pile. Personally I think they should be tough as nails since all they do is bomb planets and cost loads of resources and precious supply. With a decent buff these units could be the terror they once were and possibly bring back some of the planetary defense tech that fell from use after their nerf. (planetary shielding anyone?)
Buff Siege Frigates
Increase Hp/shields/armor?:
Yay- Deceiver_0(Hp) Volt_Cruelerz Darvin3
Ryat EadTaes Dargoon999(10%)
N3rull(+nerf) Kitkun eoncommander
Nay- Soasertsus Cykur Mindseye
Raging Amish Ascension Howdidudothat
Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike
Extremor
Change armor type (currently light)?:
Yay- Deceiver_0(v. heavy) Soasertsus(v. heavy) Volt_Cruelerz(heavy/v.heavy)
EadTaes (heavy) Dargoon999(heavy) N3rull(heavy)
SivCorp Extremor(heavy) eoncommander
Nay- Darvin3 Cykur Ryat
Mindseye Raging Amish Ascension
Howdidudothat Ovi_187 Sobric
Warlord Mike Kitkun
Decrease Resource cost?:
Yay- Soasertsus Darvin3 EadTaes
Howdidudothat Sobric Extremor
Nay- Volt_Cruelerz Cykur Ryat
Dargoon999 Mindseye Raging Amish
Ascension Ovi_187 Warlord Mike
Kitkun
Decrease Supply Cost?:
Yay- Soasertsus(6) Darvin3 Cykur
Ryat(10) EadTaes(10) Dargoon999(10)
Mindseye Howdidudothat Raging Amish(12)
Ascension(12) Ovi_187 mbaron888(8)
Sobric Warlord Mike SivCorp
Kitkun eoncommander
Nay- Volt_Cruelerz Extremor
Increase Bombardment damage?:
Yay- Volt_Cruelerz Dargoon999(20%) Warlord Mike
Extremor
Nay- Soasertsus Darvin3 Cykur
Ryat EadTaes Mindseye
Raging Amish Ascension Howdidudothat
Ovi_187 Sobric SivCorp
Kitkun eoncommander
Make TEC Heavy Fallout Active (currently passive)?:
Yay- Deceiver_0 Soasertsus Volt_Cruelerz
Darvin3 Cykur Ryat
Dargoon999 N3rull Mindseye
Raging Amish Ovi_187 Sobric
Warlord Mike Kitkun
Nay- EadTaes Ascension Howdidudothat
Reduce Heavy Fallout effect time (currently 6 minutes)?:
Yay- Darvin3 Sobric Warlord Mike
Nay- Soasertsus Volt_Cruelerz Cykur
Ryat EadTaes Dargoon999
Mindseye Raging Amish Ascension
Howdidudothat Ovi_187 Kitkun
Reduce Xp value (currently 65xp)?:
Yay- Soasertsus Darvin3(40) Cykur
EadTaes(15) Dargoon999(30) Ovi_187
Kitkun
Nay- Volt_Cruelerz Ryat Mindseye
Raging Amish Ascension Howdidudothat
Sobric Warlord Mike
Apply fixes to siege militia?:
Yay- Deceiver_0 Soasertsus Volt_Cruelerz
Darvin3 EadTaes Dargoon999
Raging Amish Ovi_187 Sobric
Warlord Mike Kitkun Extremor
Nay- Ryat Ascension Howdidudothat
Apply fixes to siege pirates?:
Yay- Darvin3 EadTaes Dargoon999
Raging Amish Ovi_187 Warlord Mike
Kitkun Extremor
Nay- Soasertsus Volt_Cruelerz Ryat
Ascension Howdidudothat Sobric
No Fix Needed-
SEREVUN OVERSEER
The overseer is a powerful, but seldom used ship due to it's current lack of usability. I'd recommend anyone planning on voting on this topic read a few of the replies on page 5, where Ascension and I debated some changes. I've also thrown in a few ideas to make overseers 'Jump Degradation' ability a little more potent for the 100AM and channeling it costs.
Buff Serevun Overseers-
Increase firing arc of abilities?:
Yay- Deceiver_0 JuleTron Volt_Cruelerz
Ascension Soasertsus milo896
Howdidudothat lifekatana N3rull
Mindseye Cykur EadTaes
Raging Amish Ovi_187 Warlord Mike
Kitkun Extremor eoncommander
Nay- Pbhead Sobric
Increase turn rate?:
Yay- Deceiver_0 JuleTron Volt_Cruelerz
Ascension Soasertsus milo896
Howdidudothat lifekatana N3rull
Mindseye Pbhead Raging Amish
Ovi_187 Warlord Mike Kitkun
Extremor eoncommander
Nay- EadTaes Sobric SivCorp
Make 'Reactive nanite armor' omnidirectional (360 degrees)?:
Yay- Ascension Raging Amish Sobric
Warlord Mike SivCorp Extremor
Nay- Deceiver_0 Soasertsus Darvin3
milo896 Howdidudothat lifekatana
N3rull Mindseye Pbhead
EadTaes Ovi_187 Kitkun
eoncommander
Increase reduction of jump speed for 'Jump Degradation'?:
Yay- milo896 Howdidudothat Mindseye
EadTaes Ovi_187 Sobric
Kitkun Extremor eoncommander
Nay- Soasertsus lifekatana Pbhead
Raging Amish
Allow 'Jump Degradation' to do a damage % to incoming enemy vessels' hulls?:
Yay- Deceiver_0 (5-10%) Soasertsus(20%AM) Darvin3
milo896 N3rull(speed reduction) Kitkun
eoncommander
Nay- Howdidudothat lifekatana Mindseye
Pbhead EadTaes Raging Amish
Ovi_187 Sobric Extremor
Allow 'Jump Degradation' to disable passive regeneration?
Yay- Raging Amish Deceiver_0 Diplominator
Juletron Sobric Extremor
Nay- Ovi_187 Howdidudothat Cykur
Kitkun
No Fix Needed-
SKAROVAS ENFORCER
The relative weakness of the Enforcer has recently been brought to the forums attention (thanks JohnJames). With their higher resource cost, higher supply cost and more expensive upgrades, enforcers are unfortunately left in the dust by their counterparts. Many speculate that their extra ability (reintegration) is the cause for such a skewed balance, while others agree that reintegration lacks the power enforcers deserve. The following are some fixes that have been proposed. Personally, I think the Vasari should get a little more for what they pay for.
Buff Skarovas Enforcers-
Decrease Resource Cost?:
Yay- Ascension EadTaes Sobric
Nay- Deceiver_0 Soasertsus Volt_Cruelerz
lifekatana Howdidudothat Darvin3
Mindseye Raging Amish Ovi_187
Warlord Mike Kitkun Extremor
eoncommander
Decrease Supply Cost?:
Yay- Soasertsus Sobric Extremor
Nay- Deceiver_0 Volt_Cruelerz lifekatana
Howdidudothat Darvin3 Mindseye
EadTaes Raging Amish Ovi_187
Kitkun eoncommander
Increase hp/shields/armor?:
Yay- Deceiver_0 Darvin3 EadTaes(armor+1)
Raging Amish SivCorp Kitkun
eoncommander
Nay- Volt_Cruelerz Soasertsus lifekatana
Howdidudothat Mindseye Ovi_187
Sobric Extremor
Increase Damage?:
Yay- Deceiver_0 Soasertsus Ascension
JuleTron Darvin3 Howdidudothat
Mindseye Cykur EadTaes(22)
Raging Amish(21.6) Ovi_187 Sobric
Warlord Mike SivCorp Kitkun
eoncommander
Nay- Volt_Cruelerz lifekatana Extremor
Cheaper damage upgrades?:
Yay- Deceiver_0 Volt_cruelerz Top Vasari
Ascension DesConnor Raging Amish
N3rull lifekatana JuleTron
Darvin3 Howdidudothat Mindseye
EadTaes Sobric Warlord Mike
SivCorp Extremor eoncommander
Nay- Soasertsus Ovi_187 Kitkun
Higher reintegration rate?:
Yay- Deceiver_0 Volt_cruelerz Top Vasari
Soasertsus N3rull lifekatana
JuleTron Darvin3 Howdidudothat
Ovi_187 Sobric Kitkun
Nay- Mindseye EadTaes Raging Amish
Extremor
No Fix Needed- Pbhead
DOMINA SUBJUGATORS
The domina has been an a lot of peoples (f spending money on that) list for sometime. I tested and observed the subjugator while I was examining carrier caps and wrote a report on them as well. Here's some fixes that have been proposed for the Domina as well as the Stilakus Subverter (whose destiny is quite intertwined with the domina). I'll be putting the Subverter question under the REPULSE section as it has to do more as a counter to it.
Buff Domina Subjugators-
Increase firing arc of abilities?:
Yay- Deceiver_0 Mindseye Darvin3
Gugabalog Cykur(heal only) Raging Amish
Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike
SivCorp Kitkun eoncommander
Nay- EadTaes lifekatana Pbhead
Increase turn rate?:
Yay- Deceiver_0 Darvin3 Gugabalog
Mindseye Pbhead Raging Amish
Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike
Kitkun eoncommander
Nay- EadTaes lifekatana
Make abilities AOE?:
Yay- Warlord Mike SivCorp eoncommander
Nay- Deceiver_0 EadTaes Gugabalog
Darvin3 lifekatana Mindseye
Pbhead Raging Amish Ovi_187
Sobric Kitkun
Remove channeling from abilities?:
Yay- EadTaes Gugabalog lifekatana
Raging Amish Sobric Warlord Mike
Kitkun
Nay- Deceiver_0 Darvin3 Mindseye
Pbhead Ovi_187 SivCorp
eoncommander
Fix Targeting AI (on all abilities for all races) to prevent wasteful use?:
Yay- Deceiver_0 Darvin3 EadTaes
Gugabalog Soasertsus lifekatana
Mindseye Pbhead Cykur
Raging Amish Ovi_187 Sobric
Warlord Mike SivCorp Kitkun
eoncommander
Nay- Pbhead
No Fix Needed-
CARRIER CLASS CAPITAL SHIPS
I've noticed people use Carrier Caps generally for 1 ability, and not for the strikecraft and SC bonuses they offer. Weaker than most other classes, they are sparse and somewhat unthreatening on the battle field. Personally I think they should offer more benefit in the strike craft department than they do now. I've written a detailed report on them, and taken some of the proposed changes from it for this thread.
Buff Carrier Caps-
Increase Initial Armor?
Yay- Deceiver_0 Soasertsus Ryat
Howdidudothat Gugabalog Warlord Mike
SivCorp Kitkun
Nay- Darvin3 -Ue_Carbon mbaron888
Pirate-Jack EadTaes DesConnor
Swordsalmon lifekatana Pbhead
Raging Amish Ovi_187 Sobric
Extremor eoncommander
Increase Squadron Capacity?
Yay- Deceiver_0 (see thread) Soasertsus Ryat
-Ue_Carbon ReadyMan Howdidudothat
mbaron888 Pirate-Jack EadTaes
DesConnor Mindseye Swordsalmon
Gugabalog N3rull lifekatana
-aceca- Derek06 Ovi_187
Sobric Warlord Mike SivCorp
Kitkun Extremor eoncommander
Nay- Darvin3 Raging Amish
Make SC buffs AOE?
Yay- EadTaes DesConnor Swordsalmon
Gugabalog Derek06 Raging Amish
Sobric SivCorp Extremor
Nay- Deceiver_0 Soasertsus Ryat
Darvin3 -Ue_Carbon Howdidudothat
mbaron888 Pirate-Jack lifekatana
Pbhead Ovi_187 Kitkun
eoncommander
Increase additional drones(Adept Drone Anima)?
Yay- Deceiver_0 Darvin3 Howdidudothat
Mindseye Swordsalmon Gugabalog
Derek06 Raging Amish Sobric
SivCorp Kitkun
Nay- Soasertsus Ryat -Ue_Carbon
mbaron888 Pirate-Jack EadTaes
DesConnor lifekatana Pbhead
Ovi_187 Extremor eoncommander
Re-work Scramble Bombers?
Yay- Deceiver_0 Soasertsus Ryat
Darvin3 -Ue_Carbon Howdidudothat
mbaron888 Pirate-Jack EadTaes
DesConnor Mindseye Swordsalmon
Gugabalog N3rull lifekatana
Pbhead Derek06 Raging Amish
Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike
SivCorp Kitkun Extremor
eoncommander
Nay-
No Fix Needed-
LIGHT FRIGATES
Most agree that Light Frigates don't scale well. Being limited in their usefulness early game, and becoming almsot complete obsolete late game with Heavy Cruiser research. Many ideas have been thrown around to get light frigates back on the battle field.
Buff Light Frigates-
Increase Damage?:
Yay- TheRezonator Gugabalog Darvin3
-Ue_carbon Howdidudothat JuleTron
Pirate-Jack N3rull Ascension
Cykur Dargoon999(20%) Raging Amish(Vasari: 12)
Ovi_187 SivCorp(10%)
Nay- Volt_cruelerz mbaron888 DesConnor
lifekatana Pbhead EadTaes
Sobric Kitkun Extremor
eoncommander
Increase Damage bonus to heavy armor type?:
Yay- Deceiver_0 TheRezonator Gugabalog
-Ue_carbon JuleTron Pirate-Jack
Howdidudothat mbaron888 DesConnor(Light)
Ascension lifekatana EadTaes
Dargoon999 Raging Amish(175%+) Ovi_187
Sobric SivCorp(25%) Kitkun
Extremor eoncommander
Nay- Volt_cruelerz Pbhead
Increase Hp/Shields/Armor?:
Yay- Deceiver_0(armor) TheRezonator Gugabalog
Darvin3 JuleTron Ascension
lifekatana Dargoon999(10%) Ovi_187
Warlord Mike eoncommander
Nay- Volt_cruelerz Pirate-Jack Howdidudothat
mbaron888 DesConnor Pbhead
EadTaes Raging Amish Sobric
SivCorp Kitkun Extremor
Increase ability range?:
Yay- Deceiver_0 TheRezonator Gugabalog
Volt_cruelerz -Ue_carbon JuleTron
Ascension Eadtaes Dargoon999
Raging Amish Ovi_187 Sobric
Kitkun Extremor eoncommander
Nay- Howdidudothat mbaron888 DesConnor
lifekatana Pbhead
Increase firing arc?:
Yay- TheRezonator Gugabalog -Ue_carbon
JuleTron Pirate-Jack Howdidudothat
DesConnor N3rull Ascension
Eadtaes Raging Amish Sobric
Warlord Mike SivCorp Extremor
Nay- Volt_cruelerz mbaron888 lifekatana
Pbhead Dargoon999 Ovi_187
Kitkun eoncommander
Increase turn speed?:
Yay- Darvin3 EadTaes TheRezonator
Pirate-Jack ReadyMan Howdidudothat
mbaron888 DesConnor Mindseye
N3rull Ascension Pbhead
Eadtaes Dargoon999 Raging Amish
Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike
SivCorp Extremor eoncommander
Nay- lifekatana Kitkun
Tweak Targeting AI to favor support cruisers?:
Yay- Deceiver_0 TheRezonator Gugabalog
Darvin3 Volt_cruelerz JuleTron
Pirate-Jack mbaron888 DesConnor
N3rull Ascension lifekatana
Eadtaes Dargoon999 Raging Amish
Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike
SivCorp Kitkun Extremor
eoncommander
Nay- Howdidudothat Pbhead
Nerf Counters-
Decrease LRF Damage?:
Yay- Proletari Darvin3 Azrak_Navarion
ReadyMan Howdidudothat Mindseye
Ascension Eadtaes Dargoon999(10%)
Nay- Deceiver_0 Volt_cruelerz Pirate-Jack
mbaron888 DesConnor lifekatana
Pbhead Raging Amish Ovi_187
Sobric Warlord Mike Kitkun
Extremor eoncommander
Decrease LRF damage bonus to medium armor?
Yay- Deceiver_0(125%) Ovi_187 Howdidudothat
Sobric eoncommander
Nay- N3rull Cykur Warlord Mike
Kitkun Extremor
Increase LRF resource cost?:
Yay- Extremor
Nay- Deceiver_0 Pirate-Jack Howdidudothat
mbaron888 DesConnor lifekatana
Pbhead Eadtaes Dargoon999
Raging Amish Ovi_187 Sobric
Warlord Mike Kitkun eoncommander
No Fix Needed- Soasertsus dresda
REPULSE:
Many have said repulse needs a fix. Personally I agree.
Nerf Guardians-
Increase AM cost?:
Yay- Deceiver_0 Raging Amish crashmatusow
Ascension Pirate - Jack Volt_cruelerz
Tohron Darvin 3 Top vasari
mbaron888 Proletari -Ue_carbon
Major Stress Mindseye Azrak_Navarion
lbgsloan Gugabalog Soasertsus
Howdidudothat JuleTron DesConnor
lifekatana -aceca- Derek06
Cykur Ovi_187 Sobric
Warlord Mike SivCorp Kitkun
Extremor eoncommander
Nay- dresda
Increase cooldown rate?
Yay- Raging Amish Deceiver_0 Howdidudothat
Kitkun Extremor eoncommander
Nay- Ovi_187 Juletron Sobric
Cykur
Decrease AOE?:
Yay- Gugabalog -Ue_carbon DesConnor
eoncommander
Nay- Pirate - Jack Major Stress crashmatusow
Mindseye Soasertsus Howdidudothat
dresda lifekatana Pbhead
Derek06 Raging Amish Ovi_187
Sobric Warlord Mike Kitkun
Extremor
Increase resource cost?:
Yay- Ascension Volt_cruelerz Sobric
Extremor
Nay- Pirate - Jack Major Stress Soasertsus
Mindseye Gugabalog Howdidudothat
dresda DesConnor lifekatana
Pbhead Derek06 Raging Amish
Ovi_187 Warlord Mike Kitkun
eoncommander
Cause damage to shields?:
Yay- EadTaes Volt_cruelerz dresda
Nay- Major Stress Mindseye Soasertsus
Gugabalog Howdidudothat DesConnor
lifekatana Pbhead Derek06
Raging Amish Ovi_187 Sobric
Warlord Mike Kitkun Extremor
eoncommander
Buff Counters-
Increase LF ability range?:
Yay- Gugabalog TheRezonator Volt_cruelerz
Derek06 Raging Amish Sobric
SivCorp Kitkun Extremor
eoncommander
Nay- Pirate - Jack Major Stress Soasertsus
Mindseye DesConnor lifekatana
Pbhead Ovi_187
No affect to Cap Ships?:
Yay- Pirate - Jack Major Stress Volt_cruelerz
DesConnor Cykur Warlord Mike
SivCorp Kitkun Extremor
eoncommander
Nay- Mindseye Gugabalog Soasertsus
lifekatana Pbhead Derek06
Raging Amish Ovi_187 Sobric
Increase Distortion Field (targeting) range?:
Yay- Deceiver_0 Soasertsus Sobric
Kitkun eoncommander
Nay- lifekatana crashmatusow Pbhead
Raging Amish Ovi_187 Extremor
No Fix Needed-
MISSILE BARRAGE:
This has been a heated issue for several months. In the most recent patch, the devs made the graphic unique (red missile exhaust?) and extended the duration while reducing dps. Was this enough?
Nerf Missile Barrage-
Decrease total damage?:
Yay- Extremor
Nay- mbaron888 Gugabalog TheRezonator
Volt_cruelerz -Ue_carbon Howdidudothat
DesConnor Derek06 Raging Amish
Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike
Increase AM cost?
Yay- Ascension Ovi_187
Nay- mbaron888 Gugabalog TheRezonator
Volt_cruelerz -Ue_carbon Howdidudothat
DesConnor Derek06 Raging Amish
Sobric Warlord Mike Extremor
Decrease AOE?
Yay- Tohron mbaron888 Howdidudothat
JuleTron DesConnor Sobric
Nay- Gugabalog TheRezonator Volt_cruelerz
-Ue_carbon Derek06 Raging Amish
Ovi_187 Warlord Mike Extremor
Buff Counters-
Increase range on ability interrupts?:
Yay- Tohron TheRezonator Raging Amish
Ovi_187 Sobric Extremor
Nay- Gugabalog Volt_cruelerz -Ue_carbon
Howdidudothat DesConnor
LF abilities can target caps?:
Yay- Gugabalog TheRezonator Sobric
Warlord Mike
Nay- Volt_cruelerz -Ue_carbon Howdidudothat
DesConnor N3rull Derek06
Raging Amish Ovi_187 Extremor
Graphic/Audio Improvement?:
Yay- Eadtaes Deceiver_0 Volt_cruelerz
Gugabalog TheRezonator -Ue_carbon
Howdidudothat N3rull lifekatana
Derek06 Cykur Raging Amish
Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike
SivCorp Kitkun Extremor
eoncommander
Nay- DesConnor
No Fix Needed- Deceiver_0 EadTaes Azrak_Navarion
Major Stress Top vasari Soasertsus
ReadyMan lifekatana SivCorp
Kitkun eoncommander
CARRIERS:
Extensively nerfed in the previous 2 patches, carriers have lost their place as a hard counter to long ranged frigates, as flak frigates can now destroy fighters much faster than they are built, and long ranged frigates can now hunt the carriers themselves down.
Buff Carriers-
Decrease build penalty?:
Yay- Deceiver_0 Ascension crashmatusow
Pirate - Jack mbaron888 Volt_cruelerz
lbgsloan Gugabalog Top vasari
Soasertsus Howdidudothat JuleTron
N3rull lifekatana Derek06
Cykur Ovi_187 Sobric
Warlord Mike SivCorp Kitkun
eoncommander
Nay- DesConnor Raging Amish Extremor
Increase fighter HP?:
Yay- Ascension Mindseye Azrak_Navarion
Gugabalog Howdidudothat Derek06
Extremor
Nay- Pirate - Jack mbaron888 Volt_cruelerz
Soasertsus DesConnor lifekatana
Raging Amish Ovi_187 Sobric
Warlord Mike SivCorp Kitkun
Reduce movement penalty?:
Yay- Tohron Soasertsus Raging Amish
mbaron888 Gugabalog Howdidudothat
JuleTron ReadyMan DesConnor
Derek06 Sobric SivCorp
Extremor
Nay- Pirate - Jack crashmatusow lifekatana
Cykur Deceiver_0 Ovi_187
Kitkun
Nerf Counters-
Reduce Flak rate of fire?:
Yay- EadTaes Warlord Mike eoncommander
Nay- Mindseye Gugabalog Volt_cruelerz
Soasertsus Howdidudothat DesConnor
lifekatana Raging Amish Ovi_187
Sobric Kitkun Extremor
No Fix Needed- Major Stress -Ue_carbon Pbhead
SCOUTS:
With the recent nerf to carriers, scouts have come to the forefront as a decent anti-lrf ship, and with their new found popularity some changes have been suggested.
Nerf Scouts-
Reduce damage buff against light armor?:
Yay- Volt_cruelerz Ovi_187
Nay- Deceiver_0 Ascension Soasertsus
Gugabalog Howdidudothat Derek06
Raging Amish Sobric Warlord Mike
Kitkun Extremor
Increase scout supply requirement?:
Yay-
Nay- Ascension Pirate - Jack Volt_cruelerz
Gugabalog TheRezonator Soasertsus
Howdidudothat Derek06 Raging Amish
Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike
Kitkun Extremor
Increase resource cost?:
Yay-
Nay- Ascension Pirate - Jack Volt_cruelerz
Gugabalog TheRezonator Soasertsus
Howdidudothat Derek06 Raging Amish
Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike
Kitkun Extremor
Buff Vasari Scouts-
Increase Hp/Shields?:
Yay- Deceiver_0 Raging Amish Volt_cruelerz
Ascension Pirate - Jack Soasertsus
Mindseye TheRezonator Howdidudothat
Derek06 Sobric Warlord Mike
SivCorp Kitkun Dargoon999
Extremor
Nay- Gugabalog Ovi_187
Increase damage?:
Yay- Ascension Raging Amish Volt_cruelerz
Gugabalog TheRezonator Soasertsus
Howdidudothat Derek06 Cykur(+.5dps)
Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike
SivCorp Kitkun Dargoon999
Nay- Extremor
No Fix Needed- EadTaes mbaron888 JuleTron
Major Stress -Ue_carbon ReadyMan
DesConnor lifekatana Pbhead
eoncommander
ILLUMINATORS:
The relative strength of illuminators has been under debate for some time, and many fixes have been proposed, here are a few, let me know if you’ve got others. I've done my own research, and have posted my findings.
Nerf Illuminators-
Increase resource cost?:
Yay- Ascension Volt_cruelerz Ovi_187
Pirate - Jack EadTaes Top vasari
lbgsloan Gugabalog Azrak_Navarion
Soasertsus Howdidudothat Derek06
Extremor
Nay- Major Stress -Ue_carbon lifekatana
Raging Amish Sobric Warlord Mike
Kitkun eoncommander
Adjust damage division between beams?:
Yay- Deceiver_0(33%) mbaron888 -Ue_carbon
Gugabalog DesConnor N3rull
Ascension Derek06 Raging Amish(33%)
Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike
eoncommander
Nay- Pirate - Jack Major Stress Soasertsus
Howdidudothat lifekatana Kitkun
Extremor
Decrease/adjust the HP/Shields?:
Yay- Pirate - Jack (hp only) EadTaes TheRezonator
Ascension Gugabalog -Ue_carbon
Soasertsus Howdidudothat DesConnor
-aceca- Derek06 Cykur
Raging Amish(Hp&Armor) Ovi_187 Sobric
Warlord Mike SivCorp Kitkun
Extremor(450/500) eoncommander
Nay- Major Stress Volt_cruelerz Soasertsus
lifekatana
Increase supply requirement?:
Yay- DesConnor Derek06 Kitkun
Nay- Pirate - Jack Major Stress Volt_cruelerz
Gugabalog Soasertsus Howdidudothat
lifekatana Raging Amish Ovi_187
Sobric Warlord Mike Extremor
eoncommander
Decrease Damage?:
Yay- EadTaes Ascension Soasertsus
Major Stress Gugabalog ReadyMan
DesConnor(Caps only) N3rull lifekatana
Ovi_187 Extremor
Nay- Volt_cruelerz -Ue_carbon Howdidudothat
Derek06 Raging Amish Sobric
Warlord Mike Kitkun eoncommander
No Fix Needed- mbaron888 Mindseye dresda
Pbhead
More to come-
