Obama Proposes "National Security Force"

Face it  B.Hussein Obama can walk on water, turn water into brandy and will win all 57 states in November.

You would think more people would be interested in this.

What country am I living in again?

Oh Lord, it's like dystopian science-fiction.

I find confusing information online. What is Obama's stance on Gun Control and the 2nd Amendment?

No History. Brown shirts. Circa 1930s Germany.

Makes sense to me.  Disarm Americans, create your "security force".  Funny how liberals are the first one to call Bush a facist.

 

My question is why must we emphasize Barack's middle name like it means something? It is just a name. It will save space and typing time to just say "Obama". We all get it. Also, protecting the nation sounds like a good thing to me.

Protecting the nation from what, or whom? Last time I checked we had a national security force. It is called the CIA, DIA, FBI, U.S. Marshals, CBP, the Coast Guard, State police, State Militia and local police. We need more people with guns in our streets?

This is simply an "idea" to take the strain off of the military in this nation. They are already suffering with many problems. I highly doubt that anyone is suggesting to arm civilians and provide authority to protect at their own personal whims. As was mentioned in the article by ID, this is a vague statement Obama provided to probably gain some support in the armed services; I wouldn't take it to such extremes as allowing people to apply their own brand of vigilante protection. I see this statement as more of a call to emphasize the support of those groups you mentioned for Federal and State enforcement.

Having been in the military my reaction to what he said is; he has no idea what he is talking about unless he plans to have a shadow government. Why else would he need his own military? Or maybe he does not understand once he becomes president he has his own military. Like Doc said I have visions of brown shirt dancing in my head.



The only problem the military is suffering right now is lack of support from half the politicians in this country.



A statement that says he does not trust or want the military we have. He does not want or trust the civilian security force we have and how is he going to pay for this security force. In stead of bring down budget he is proposing things to double the military budget by creating a civilian security force that gets the same amount of money as our current military. Will he then take it a step further double up on homeland security or CIA or the FBI? How much tax money does he think we have to pay and still pay our bills?



I truly hope you are wrong because that is not how to do it.

You're on the wrong topic, there's a thread discussing the use of Barry's name in the general politics forum.

If every legitimate Obama critic is called an Arab or black hater, how do you EVER expect Obama to unite Republicans and Democrats, or even be respected?

Last, but not least, this idea is NOT Obama's creation. Rather, he's adopting it from a high-powered, very wealthy organization, Be the Change inc. Look it up here...

http://www.bethechangeinc.org/the_vision

Yes, National Service is much bigger than Obama...

And you guys call us Democrats paranoid!!  Please I have heard Obama talk about what you are refering to personally.  And what(of course) you guys dont say here is that he has talked about this national security force as something that will have the CIA, NSA, FBI, and etc. in it, or apart of it however you want to look at it.  What he is proposing is something that many have suggested including many conservatives.  That is that we have these agencies working together.  We need this espeically after the huge miscalculations made by these agencies individually.  Oh but we dont talk about that anymore because it was 5 years ago and a mistake made by Bush. 

Also all I can think of these guys that use Obama's middle name is that they are like all of these conservative talk show hosts who like to try and stir things up rather than concentrait on whats best for the country and their party, they focus on their ratings, and these guys soak it up.....Teaching hate is a very powerful and dangerous thing.  Just remeber we are all people and we all bleed red.  Or as Martin Luther King said "just me on the content of my character, not the color of my skin." 

 

This is very contradictory, on one hand you are saying lets focus on the seriousness and not how his name is adressed, and then in the next sentence you say something as foolish the only reason you use it is because you enjoy how it hurts another person....can you say divider, and childish. 

P.S. no need for swear words here either, which was in your next statement.

  Or as Martin Luther King said "just me on the content of my character, not the color of my skin." 
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"Judge me on the content of my character, not the color of my skin."?

The next time you speak with Senator Obama, you might want to tell him that this new department was started at the behest of the democrat leadership. It is called the Department of Homeland Security, it oversees data from CIA, FBI, DIA, NSA, ICE, TSA and LEO or as we call it the alphabet soup. Next time you pass a border patrol officer you might notice that their logo has changed from the department of immigration and naturalization to the department of homeland security. The new organization called ICE and a few others now work under the DHS logo.

So if what you are saying is true then either the Senator is unaware of DHS or wants to spend billions of dollars to invent a department that already exists. Yup, make him president and he might discover air or water. Given that we already have this DHS thing it is natural to wonder why he feels the need to have a national security force.

Here is an example of what I mean. When that nut with a bomb was discovered in Orlando, Florida the alphabet soup was notified and updated minute by minute including the president and vice president members of congress and all department heads. AQ has been trying to find a weakness in our county since 9/11 and they have not stopped trying.

What new security force do we need?



I don’t care that Senator Obama is colored, I do care that he is an empty suit trying to become president. In times of crisis you need people that can act decisively in a storm. I don’t see that in him. I don’t care that he stated that there are 57 states, or that he was against the war.
I do care that he wants to create a national security force with the same manpower and money as our military.
I do care that he does not think the war on terror is winnable.
I do care that he believes the surge will not work, and when proven wrong steadfastly states that he would still be against the surge even though it worked.
I do care that he slams the country he wants to lead.
You see the content of his character is measured by what he says and does, and by the company he keeps. The Senator is weak in character and will put our nation in danger because of it.
Each president is tested by other nations when they are perceived as weak. President Kennedy was perceived as weak and we had the Cuban missile crisis. President Carter was perceived as weak and we had the hostage take over of our embassy. President Reagan was perceived as strong and we were not tested by nations. President Clinton was perceived as weak and AQ planned to attack us on our own soil twice. President Bush was perceived as weak by the Chinese and they tested him. They now want to be friends and have not tested him again.

The next president will be tested by Russia, China, and AQ or what is left of them. If whoever is president fails the test by any of them we as a nation will be attacked again. The skin colour is not important to me, his ability to lead is very important to me. That is why I am afraid because I don’t trust the republican or democrat candidate for president. One will destroy us economically and weaken the nation. The other will make us vulnerable to physical attack and weaken the nation.

We need a president that will scare the urine out of our enemies and understand business so we can prosper. I want a president that will make our enemies call up and apologize for having a dream of messing with us. We have that with the current president but it was not apparent until China tested him, when we were attacked on 9/11 I knew AQ miscalculated, their plan was to have Mr. Gore as president and they believed the trash in the news about Mr. Bush.

I only have a little time to respond as I am leaving town tonight to go play some paintball, so beifly on each topic here.  The Surge didnt work.  Have you looked at how much money was spread out to all the different groups to stop fight?  Iraqi gov got some sunni's got a ton, shiites got a bunch...The surge didnt work, the cash flow worked and that is fact.                                                                                        

I look at our country and I dont like all the things we do as well.  Have you ever looked at what the US(bush 1 and 2) have done in africa with regaurd to gold.....look for some stories its actually kinda sick taking advantage of very poor people to basically harvest gold from africa.  As for what comapany he keeps how about mccains chief economic guy and former senator calling this a mental recession, how about his preacher man and the anti black things he has said, oh and have all you guys forgotten that mccaiin was apart of the keating five?  But he weaseled out of that one.

Reagan wasnt tested????  I mean some of the weakest nations(lybia, Grenada) in the world and some of the strongest(USSR) tested him just as they did kennedy.  Kennedy came out on top big time, and I have to give it to Reagan so did he with regards to that.  However even Reagan spoke to "Evil Empires."

This you really cant fully know till they are president.  Many didnt think Reagan could be a strong diplomat because he was just an actor, but he was....blew our economy for it though.  Many thought kennedy was weak but he stood toe to toe with the soviets and won.

Dont forget that Gore was in the military as well, I dont think Gore would have rolled over I think he would have used all the sympathy and offers of help and went after the people who actually did the bombing not use 9/11 as a catapult to go to war with a nation(albeit a horribly lead and terribly lead nation), that went after his daddy years before.

I am an amateur historian and I can tell you that many of the degree held historians I know rate bush very low, not very far ahead of presidents like coolidge as far as his presidency, that could change but not drastically.

I would also like to thank you for the way in which you responded being able to disagree yet have a civil conversation is nice, best to you and your family.

 

Yes, Mr. Gore was in the military, he was a news photographer. That hardly qualifies him in war strategy.



I heard the same trash about President Reagan and now they all cheer him as the great communicator, he untied the people. Brought democrats and republicans together, stopped communism. I don’t hear that about Mr. Kennedy.



Sorry but Mr. Kennedy did not come out on top that was political spin. He was sinking so badly in the polls that he had to make a special trip to Dallas because the democrat base was not going to vote for him in the next election. Back then Texas was a democrat stronghold and even with his vice president from there he could not hold that state.

The Cuban missile crisis was not masterful diplomacy it was a wash with secret deals. If the USSR backed down publically then he would dismantle the Jupiter missiles in Turkey which was the cause of the crisis to begin with. You know how many hundreds of millions of dollars Mr. Kennedy gave to Cuba just to keep the peace? That is not coming out on top that is buying your way out of a crisis you can't manage any other way. Are you sure you studied history?

I forgot about Grenada and I was in the Marines when that happened, but you are correct I had forgotten about all those tests that Mr. Reagan faced because at the time I was there dealing with some of it. Must be getting old.



When you are running for president, the figure head, the leader of our nation, why would you want the job if you are ashamed of your country?



Well seeing as it has not him me or my neighbors I would have to agree that it is a mental recession. A recession is two or more consecutive quarters of negative growth. We have not had that so what would you call it? People hear on the news that times are tough and as Rush Limbaugh has stated many times, most people are doing okay but they fear that their neighbors are not. Where are the people that are not doing well? The poor? They were poor before so that has not changed. The rich? They are still rich? The middle class? That would be me and I am still okay.



First the man is not his preacher he is a supporter who happens to be a preacher. I have not heard or read what he said that was so bad. It did not make the news long enough for me to care. Unlike Senator Obama’s preacher of 20+ years. or the guy that replaced him that Senator Obama had to throw under the bus. You can not equate Senator McCain’s 3 years of knowing someone that supports you and says something racist with Senator Obama’s preacher of 20 years who has gone on record with hate speech. After 20 years if he did not know the man was a racist he is inept and if he knew it then he is a racist because he stuck with him for 20 years of hate speech. It is plain and simple coloured people like him don’t need to be president.



This is incorrect his political opponents wanted you to think that he was just an actor, they chose to forget that he was a two time elected governor of the state of California a liberal democrat state then and now. they forget his policy speeches he gave stating how to fight the evils of communism in the 50’s 60’s 70’s and then he became president in the 80’s and did what he said needed to be done in his 30 years of speeches. Somehow all the opposition could remember is the movie play time for bonzo.



Sorry but that would be James Earl Carter Jr. that blew our economy. In his four years as president we went from a nation that could sustain a family of four on one income to the point he gave a televised speech to the nation telling us we needed to put our wives to work, he mismanaged our economy so badly we went into a world wide recession. That is what happens when you put a nuclear scientist in charge of a nation. Mr. Reagan on the other hand took our economy and built it up. Inflation went from double digits to single digits and gave us a tax cut to go with it. By the way the actor had his degree in economics.

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Next he's going to try to make the case that his "National Security Force" is what the 2nd Amendment's original intent.    He'd use the word "Militia" but mean the US equivalent to "Hitler-Jugend".

It's ironic that he talks about a "National Security Force" while wanting to disarm the people.  Only tyrants and criminals fear guns in the hands of law abiding citizens.

 

Hey little whip your response is very childish again nothing to add to the conversation except little swear words.  Dont lump me with anyone, I am my own person and I have not treated anyone here with disrepect.  I expect the same out of the other adults here.  How about it?

That sounds like something our current administration would do, and has done, manipulate the constitution for thier own gain.

Little whip you may also want to read my statements more closely I wasnt even refering to the word arse, but I said "your next statement"  Which was a different word.

 

Hey Paladin thanks for your service man I really appreciate the men and women who serve, my dad was in the national guard for over 20 years and my sister is in the security police in the AF and has been for about 7 years(4 tours to kuwait/Iraq already).  Unfortunatly, for me due to a physical problem(ear/hearing) I was unable to serve, But Kudos to you for doing so.

I would disagree, there are still many historians who are torn about him, while some praise him for foreign relations others also point out he was the one who really started our huge national debt(yes carter had a small one), but Reagan ballooned it and started some of the problems we are still coping with today, the "me" decade hurt.

 

The jupiters were obsolete and were coming out anyway, so we gave them nothing there.  And the hundreds of millions of dollars you are talking about sounds very familiar to what is happening in Iraq right now only its tens of billions of dollars.  I will give you though that Kennedy did slip in some popularity.

I dont think anyone running for president this year is ashamed of our country but I do think we need to confront our mistakes, unless we are willing to say we are perfect, I certainly cant say I have been in my life, not sure if anyone can.

I am a driver for UPS and I can tell you from my work and personal family experience that my family is doing worse, so are my parents, My father has to postpone his retirement by 2 years now, and there are others in my circle of friends, one who had to sell their house and they didnt even have an adjustable rate loan.  As a UPS Driver/sorter, I can tell you we have alot less business and the people who are my regulars(business and residential people) are always telling me how bad things are.....Not all of them but a pretty good amount.

 

I will give you that Obama knew his preacher for longer, but both were still supporters, and I do know that Reagan was a 2 time govener(68'-76'?).  And I do think  being a govener is better but you still cant really know until they are put in the position, just like if you are a bench player for a baseball team and suddenly you are the starter, you never know how that will turn out.

 

Have a good night Paladin.

 

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