What's with the elitists?

I don't play much sins online, so I was kind of shocked to see how..serios some players take their game of sins.  He got pissed on how I built a few too many scouts (5 on a medium) and eventually left when I wasn't following some ultimate strategy. 

Do people really have fun sitting at the end of their chair and doing the same thing every game?  :/
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Competitive players: ruining gaming for over a decade!
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235 ur so rite lol
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Competitive players: ruining gaming for over a decade!


There is a difference between being competitive and being a jerk. Please try not to confuse the two again.

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Competitive players: ruining gaming for over a decade!


This is one of the rare instances where I agree with you.
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Competitive players: ruining gaming for over a decade! There is a difference between being competitive and being a jerk. Please try not to confuse the two again.


Actually I am not sure about that. I've been playing in a pool league for over four years now and I find the two hard to seperate. Some of the people who play are so competitive it does detract from the game. These are not new players who can't relax or anything either. Some have won trips to Vegas to play competitively and thats how they run EVERY game they play. I'm all for playing by the rules, but if you don't play the game as if life depended on it , out comes the criticism and comments. Even when you play against them! Like it's a crime to try having fun at a game not be the next pro. I am a low level player, I play because it's something to do on a Monday night beside sitting at home on the PC for 6 hours. I get to see new people, talk to cute women and have fun, and for a few of the higher skilled people that's a capital crime, so I avoid playing those nights we face people like that. One can focus so much on a game or a sport so much it becomes work. When that happens you tend to see those who don't think like you in a lesser light. Just check out some of the high level guilds on games like EQ and WoW, been there done that canceled the accounts.
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Is there ladder play? That gets rid of them until they start making smurf accounts.
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Actually I am not sure about that. I've been playing in a pool league for over four years now and I find the two hard to seperate. Some of the people who play are so competitive it does detract from the game. These are not new players who can't relax or anything either. Some have won trips to Vegas to play competitively and thats how they run EVERY game they play. I'm all for playing by the rules, but if you don't play the game as if life depended on it , out comes the criticism and comments. Even when you play against them! Like it's a crime to try having fun at a game not be the next pro. I am a low level player, I play because it's something to do on a Monday night beside sitting at home on the PC for 6 hours. I get to see new people, talk to cute women and have fun, and for a few of the higher skilled people that's a capital crime, so I avoid playing those nights we face people like that. One can focus so much on a game or a sport so much it becomes work. When that happens you tend to see those who don't think like you in a lesser light. Just check out some of the high level guilds on games like EQ and WoW, been there done that canceled the accounts.


Anything taken to extremes can be bad. Competitiveness is no exception. It is possible to be competitive without insulting everyone you play with. There is a difference between being competitive and being over-competitive.
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If you aren't a competitive player, stay away from them unless they deliberately seek you out. Both of you live in completely different worlds when it comes to gaming. If you do decide to seek the competitive player out then just be fully aware of the elitism/nastiness that can occur.

That being said, it's not that they're jerks - it's simply a misunderstanding.

And as for this:


Competitive players: ruining gaming for over a decade!


Trashiest statement I've heard in awhile. Not very well thought out too, but I suppose a slightly decent effort at trolling given the poster's unique history.
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competitive players are jerks when in the public arena.... if you want to play competitively play on a ladder.. not in the public areas..


why being a competitive player ruins it for us all.


Because we play games to get away from our stressful lives and worries. Once you start competing all it does is take away from the fun for everyone else.. The game is about having fun and learning new things...


One thing sins has really done is stop the competitive.. ill rush you in 5 minutes or less strategy.... which saying its a strategy is a laugh in itself. Thankfully most of the people ive played with on ironclad were in it for the fun and not to be #1 all the time...


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Competitive players: ruining gaming for over a decade!There is a difference between being competitive and being a jerk. Please try not to confuse the two again.


True. A competitive player wouldn't care if someone else made 5 scouts as long as they don't spy on him too much(in which the solution is to kill them), and continue doing whatever he was doing, with the results of his 'optimum strategies' showing on the battlefield. A jerk would protest if he sees 5 scouts, or even 1 scout running around in circles(remember 'borderline exploit'?).

Actually I am not sure about that. I've been playing in a pool league for over four years now and I find the two hard to seperate. Some of the people who play are so competitive it does detract from the game... Anything taken to extremes can be bad. Competitiveness is no exception. It is possible to be competitive without insulting everyone you play with. There is a difference between being competitive and being over-competitive.


Example of an over-competitive athlete and team actually hurting the popularity of a sport: Michael Schumacher and Ferrari in Formula 1. The viewership and popularity of F1 actually declined when he was dominating from 2000 to 2004 with 5 straight championships. It took 2 years before people realized that there was new competition and only last year has F1 popularity surged again with the great 4-way struggle for the championship and the spygate controversy.
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Different people find different rewards in gaming. Some people do it to challenge themselves against others and some do it for a leisure activity.

The people doing for a leisurely thing dont really care about developing proficiencies and usually dont go the distance time wise for a long involved game. Once a game becomes "work" for them, they usually lose interest and bail or lose the game on purpose if they are even remotely considerate.

The people doing it for a challenge take the games seriously and the fun for them is the game dynamics and the reward of a victory for a job well done and the longer the game the more the reward.

I'm amazed many people cant understand this simple dichotomy. More importantly that many don't take the time to find out what type of players the people they are playing with are.

A good tip for the leisure/casual players is to look for clan tag before the persons name. That is a good sign the person is a competitive player. The thinking also applies for the competitive player.
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... check out this thread if you want to follow a heated debate amongst elitist, hyper-competitive players :

arMADa

... as a n00b(ette), i really enjoyed reading that whole thread : very informative & educative ...

but i would not want to become like them ... i agree with 1Spartan (reply #12) : theres a « simple dichotomy », and i wish to remain on the relaxed n00b side of it ...

i have not played on ICO and i never will ... fooling around with the comps at my leisurely pace suits me fine ... my hope is that, starting with version 1.03, the comps' A.I. becomes smarter (and i trust that Stardock will push for that to happen) ...

but why would i mind if some hormone-filled, mucho-macho guys wish to bash & crush each other as if the game had become a souped-up test of Ultimate Fighting Competitive skills ?

« If you can't stand the heat, [stay] out of the kitchen. » ... thats what i do ...


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Escapism is a powerful narcotic to be sure. Best of all it is 100% natural and comes in many flavors and strengths.
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There is a difference between being competitive and being a jerk. Please try not to confuse the two again.

I've been gaming for ages, I've run servers for dozens of different games, and that line evaporated years ago. Competitive players are 1,000% more likely to trash anyone who 'holds them back', degrading the game quality overall. In an FPS game, the competitive player is going to be the guy spawncamping and abusing exploits, even after he's warned several times that they're against the server rules. When said player gets the permanent boot, I can bet you there's a 90% chance he's either going to get a 'smurf' account and come back to either completely ruin the game with cheats, or he's going to get his clan buddies to come crash the game as well.

Either way, expect to find him on your forums or IRC right after complaining about how you banned him for being 'too good' and that the server is full of 'scrubs' anyway.

Anything taken to extremes can be bad. Competitiveness is no exception. It is possible to be competitive without insulting everyone you play with. There is a difference between being competitive and being over-competitive.


Everyone is competitive, because the point of the game is to WIN. Every game is like this too. The issue comes down to the level of competition you force upon everyone else, and I've found that there's two easy groups. The difference is that to a competitive player, their social skills are so impaired that a meaningless victory should come before everything and anything else.

Another favorite tactic of the competitive player is to join a pub server with a bunch of his retardo teammates and stack one team, landsliding victories in their favor over and over. Again - this ruins games, and when I go in there and break them up, they get pissy and whine.

"Play to win" players, the competitive players, are the tag-wearing assholes who will troll pub servers with aimbots and whatnot just looking to ruin 'scrub' games. Another MO of the 'competitive player' is that they love to troll around on the game forums and try to change the game in a way that benefits them.

Several mods make the mistake of having a 'playtesting team' of highly competitive players. This is probably the worst idea you could ever have. It'd be like giving Stalin his choice of whatever parts of Europe he wanted after WW2. Competitive players obviously care only to win, and advance themselves above anyone else. So you basically end up with exploits and imbalances going unreported, because they know of them and can use them to win. These same douchbags the continue to troll the forum telling everyone who posts to GTFO because 'they're just a scrub' and 'you should watch a clan game noob' and 'I've been playing for longer than you, so shut the fuck up'.

Natural-Selection was a mod that fell into this years and years ago - the game quality suffered dramatically, and the elitist competitive 'scene' basically chased away any new players.

A good tip for the leisure/casual players is to look for clan tag before the persons name. That is a good sign the person is a competitive player. The thinking also applies for the competitive player.


Not very true. Despite the popularity of tags, a lot of tag-wearing douchebags just made it up to wear with their friends, and aren't really playing competitively, or are even actually any good at the game. A good example is Tactical Gamer. All of us wear |TG| tags, but we don't play competitively in any way. We play for fun.

When I run servers though, I profile. People with 'typical' names, like "PeskyFly" would be mostly ignored. Someone with a name that looks dumb and immature like "1Spartan" (sorry, but it's true ;) Shorthand like 'sk8', etc. generally coincide with idiocy) would be on a 'watch list' mostly because they're usually new. Someone with a clan tag would instantly be Priority 1, as they're most likely to break the rules.

That said, I've yet to see any game truly benefit from competition. A case could be made for, and only for, increasing the longevity of a game, but a game that hovers around in a state of undeath for a few years with a small dedicated group of antisocial idiots vs. a game that simply died years ago, there's really no difference. No new players will be joining the game on life-support, as the high-competition would chase them away.

There was (is?) a game called Allegiance. An interesting project, blending RTS and FPS in an extremely excellent way. The game had the potential to be amazing. It's been 'dead' for a while, with a somewhat large group of competitive players 'keeping it alive'. I joined to play it, and every game was the same way. One team would 'tech rush' to a Frigate or something and roll into your system 5 minutes later and blow up all your stuff. Whoever got this ship first won. Every time. Nothing changed, because it was the fastest, easiest way to put another notch in your belt. The competitive players keeping it alive would say 'we'll teach you how' and the like, but never changed in their execution of stagnant, boring, crappy games over and over, just to win. And if you lost? Prepare to be blamed for it.

Again: I've yet to see any game truly benefit from competition.
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Being competitive is trying to win. You don't load up a game of sins and see how many hours you can hold a front line without going on the offensive.

I wouldn't consider myself to be an elite player by any stretch of the imagination. However, I do believe that I am very competitive and love to demolish another player - preferably in style if possible. This in no way reflects what the OP said.

I'm afraid the issue that the OP came across was an invasion of the n00bs, not to be confused with newbes who are just new and need help. n00bs are in fact players/people who could and should know a lot better (in ability, experience and attitude). Yet they stick to their narrow point of view and ruin good games for everyone else. They tend to be arrogant, ignorant and aggressive. They are not elite, they just don't realise it.

Please do not confuse these poor players with those of us who just want to grind your armies into dust. :LOL:
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Maybe getting to know each other through forums such as this will help to match up good people with other good people.
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I just bought the game yesterday, without "testing" it mainly because I happened to read the thread started by 1spartan (and its Stardocks).

I know about competitiveness, younger I use to compite in martial arts. So naturally I use to compite in FPS. Never was much of a camper though.

Thank god for ladders because nowdays I just want my dopamine rush. Usually I dont like RTS (because they never last or let you truely get to build and develope your fleet/army) games but this game rocks.

Havent tried the ironclad online yet but I am really sorry to hear that there are players already making it another starcraft.

People want too much too fast and if you dont follow their perfect strategy building some cheapest sh!t and rushing they get mad. But thats life and like in any hobby not everybody plays fair when you aim to win. We are just build that way (mainly men).

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funny thread.
complaining about elitism, but then proclaiming that your way to play is the right way, denouncing clans (besides your own clan of course), labeling all competitive players as cheating assholes etc etc, just to make us understand that YOU are the best and everybody with a differing opinion is an idiot.
And a game that has truly benefitet from competitive gaming ? StarCraft, maybe !?
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funny thread.complaining about elitism, but then proclaiming that your way to play is the right way, denouncing clans (besides your own clan of course), labeling all competitive players as cheating assholes etc etc, just to make us understand that YOU are the best and everybody with a differing opinion is an idiot.And a game that has truly benefitet from competitive gaming ? StarCraft, maybe !?


QFT.
And being competitive and being a dick is not the same. Competitive players can have all their competition in clan matches. Still, playing some random public game just to relax is fun - even for most competitive players.
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Internets are serious business!


ROFL!!!

That's what the chatrooms are for! I don't see there being any problem communicating the fact that one wants to play a slow, n00b game versus a power player wanting play to win with a dedicated strategy and gameplan! Work that out BEFORE you start a game and everyone will be happy.

I for one, would make sure that it is known how I play, when we're in the pre-game chatroom and give them the opportunity to stay or bail! I would find it very strange being invited to a game and NOT being able to take a few minutes to get to know the other player(s) first!
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There's some odd elitism on these boards too. I remember there were a discussion on whether adding some evasive combat movement for the larger ships would make the battles look more interesting instead of like a civil war stand off. One guy came on and actually claimed it would be against the lore of the game to add combat movement.
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I'm a very competitive player in GUILD WARS. But I do have a rule too. You have to have fun first, and then compete for fun. I have a great guild that are really nice to each other, and to others. We really enjoy ripping the super serious players apart, as you can be nice, and still win championships.

You just have to find friends that agree with your play style.

If you want to be super serious, find those friends.

If you want to have fun, but still be competitive, find those people.

If you want to have fun, and don't care how you do, Play with those people.

The way the game is selling, friends won't be hard to find :D

Jim
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Being competitive is trying to win. You don't load up a game of sins and see how many hours you can hold a front line without going on the offensive.


I dunno, I'd do that.
Just for kicks, and out of curiosity - "I wonder how long I can stalemate this until I need to go offensive to keep them from outbuilding me?"