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Thats all.

LOL! :LOL:

Only discourage theft, unauthorized copying is a case where publishes steal from their consumers by pretending their product is both physical and intellectual property at the same time and demand the consumer take the penalties of both and the benefits of neither.

Unauthorized copying (you bought the game already) should be made legal. Theft is bad.

Wha? If it kills bad games, then sure, but otherwise if it kills games in general, ffs no! :SURPRISED:

Taltamir makes some excellent points. I feel the real issue is inherent in the nature of what defines piracy. Downloading content then reselling it is piracy. Downloading a copy of X-Wing Alliance you purchased 8 years ago because your disk is scratched is also piracy. Which is "good"? Which is "bad"? Who gets to make these distinctions?


I, too, refuse to pay for software that uses EA as a publisher. I refuse to pay for software created by microsoft, i.e. Word, excel, etc. because I feel the prices demanded therein are absolutely absurd. There's compensation and there is outright greed and the capitalist system to which Microsoft adheres demands that I pay insane prices for things that can be valued at 10 times less. Why am I paying these prices? Not because the value of the program, so far as its creation, presentation, and existence on the market is concerned, is equal to the price advocated but because Microsoft has a stranglehold on the medium and can demand any bloody price it wants.

If somebody charged you $100 for one banana would you pay $100 for that banana simply because the producer demands it, society supports the producer and demands it, and law legitimizes the society and thereby demands it? If so then I pity you; you will either pay the ridiculous price for a banana and realise only too late the value is absolutely not equal to the price or you will simply never buy a banana again, forever cutting yourself off from that selective pleasure of life.

I make a statement with my money. I could have pirated Sins. I didn't because I support the creators. I want more of Sins so I am giving my money as a means of showing this and supporting this.

SHUSH. They'll get wise.

Divide by 0.


I dare you.

I see. So if you decide that a company is "evil" it's okay to steal from them.

Sheesh. There's no end to this crap.

no, if I decide that I am unwilling to support a company then I steal from them.


Really, if we want to get into THAT discussion I am all for it.



Murder isn't evil, it is only "evil" as defined by the society in which we exist. Certainly it is possible that a society could be created in which murder is acceptable. This society would, of course, be annihilated very quickly. To prevent this certain parameters of "acceptability" would be defined as concerns murder. Murder can only be committed when X, essentially. Don't tell me it's not true because societies in the past and even present have done it. What is war but Murder that has a defined parameter of acceptability?

Evil doesn't exist. Evil is entirely defined by the society and society is always changing, it is not a constant in the universe. Therefor we can only define evil by what is constant, nature, and we may therein see that the only thing that goes against nature is self-destruction. However, since true self destruction is impossible (suicide, for example, leaves a legacy, etc, essentially some aspect of your self always remains, whether in offspring, ideology, etc.) we may see that evil is also essentially impossible.


Have fun. :CONGRAT:

OP,
You are nothing more then a child who knows how to use a bittorent client. True contributors to the scene would never be as loud mouth or as ignorant as you are being.

Go back under your rock and steal some more.

^ bee reactionari moar


Jeese you guys DID read the OP entire bit right? He was saying that Sins is such a good game that he, normally a pirate, went out and purchased it at about 3 times its worth.

reed moar

You know, if the OP hadn't pirated this game, Stardock wouldn't have 2-5 extra sales from him telling his friends.
And his friends might tell other friends.


And stop bitching and moaning about piracy; most people download music and movies that I know.

(:(

I never said I was a contributor to the scene though... I'm not sure there's a "scene" to organ harvesting and fake automobile part manufacturing that I should be a part of.

I guess it's about time to set the record straight then. Since there's a strange lot of people who take things waaay too seriously.

Read this:
Reporting piracy

This thread was created as a parody of opposite similarity with the above.

hi surf

Oh, I did pay 3 times more than normal though. That part is true. And so is the part about getting my friends to buy it.

The exchange rate really is that high and it really does cost that much for someone outside the states to buy games.

Anything in the first post that doesn't have the word pirate in it is true. AS FAR AS YOU KNOW. MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. *cough cough cough cough*

I choose to believe instead that the above is made up of lies.


After all, I pirate explosives all the time. I don't feel as crazy if some0ne else 1s also doiNg iT.


mmm tasty esplosives.

Legally, making copies for personal use / as backups is not piracy... however much some companies wish it were.

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anyone else find the mention of pirating explosives as "valid" a little less than comforting?

just a little bit...

Don't worry. Nyeh heh heh. So long as Ironclad follows our demands... eeeverything will go smooothly, yes?

You my friend, appear to be unfamiliar with the digital millenium copyright act. Signed by bill clinton into law in 1998

It specifices insanely high penalties (5 years in prison and 500,000$ for first case of commercial piracy, double that for ever subsequent offense). It also defines any attempt to circumvent copy protection an act of piracy, even when said copy protection impedes "fair rights" usage (constitutionally protected consumer rights).

Your game has copy protection on it. in the form of a "copy protection" flag (software like nero will refuse to copy such CDs) as well as weak sectors and various other schemes to prevent you from copying it. Circumventing those constitutes piracy (but not of the commercial type).

Bush has since signed some laws that further cement this. Which just goes to show that this transcends party allegiance, both republicans and democrats have been doing that...

Canada signed a similar law 2 weeks later. And the current US created government in iraq has also signed into law a duplicate of this within the first 48 hours of its existance. (I am not kidding you there... They were signing copyright strengthening laws in iraq on the first day of forming the government).
Venezuela now has dogs trained to sniff the plastic that make's CD-Rs and you WILL be detained if you pass through an airport carrying any burned disks...


BTW... all those ripping on the op for pirating sins... he said he bought multiple copies, one per family member... thats not exactly pirating sins now is it?
Also NONE of the legitimate reasons to pirate apply in the case of ANY stardock game.



"The Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) is a United States copyright law which implements two 1996 WIPO treaties. It criminalizes production and dissemination of technology, devices, or services that are used to circumvent measures that control access to copyrighted works (commonly known as DRM) and criminalizes the act of circumventing an access control, even when there is no infringement of copyright itself. It also heightens the penalties for copyright infringement on the Internet. Passed on October 8, 1998 by a unanimous vote in the United States Senate and signed into law by President Bill Clinton on October 28, 1998, the DMCA amended title 17 of the U.S. Code to extend the reach of copyright, while limiting the liability of Online Providers from copyright infringement by their users."

It passed UNANIMOUSLY! every single traitor "representative of the people" in congress though it was appropriate to give pirates more severe punishment then rapists AND to make it illigal to bypass DRM even when no other copyrights are violated (say, making a backup of DRMed crap) effectively destroying your CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS to "fair usage". Just wait until trusted computing is in every machine and reading a science book without paying the royalties is punishable by revocation... never read/write a report/use a computer again... go flip burgers...

Dude...thats bullshit...You can get authentic/original goods. Its not the 1940's or something...I'm Malaysian myself and i can get my games overhere and i dont need to stoop as low as pirating software. Just because its available(piracy) doesn't mean you have to do it. You are just propagating the demand for it...and fuelling the problem.

fragieD: see reply #38 above for your dilemma there.

Dude like whatever...Piracy is a serious issue overhere and its just not funny anymore...parody or not.

Everyone should become a copyfighter.

The current IRP system is so very twisted it no longer serves it original purpose and needs to be trashed or heavily modified if anyone says otherwise they are misleading you.