Stupid Christians

I see every day who pass by me driving well over the speed limit with a Christian fish symbol on the back of their vehicle.

Lately when I encounter those kind (the ones with little stylized dove outlines are just as bad) they seem to think speed limit signs are meant to be divided by two.

Seriously, though, I've long said that people with those symbols are the worst drivers on the road. If at all possible, I avoid them like the plague. It's as if having Jesus as their co-pilot makes them think they don't have to worry about anything (or anyone) else. Maybe they're just trying to meet the big guy sooner rather than later and hoping a few of "the lost" get sucked up in their wake? Slipstream to paradise, anyone?

I'm pretty sure that Christians are expected to obey the law.

Who poops with a marker in their hand anyway? I think they should spend that time in quiet contemplation of whether Jesus would mark on bathroom stalls. Maybe they just didn't have time to finish their thought. Maybe the whole message was "Jesus saves me from constipation" but they were so moved (pun intentional) they didn't have enough time to finish writing.

I just find it hard to fathom how they reconcile their religious beliefs with vandalism.

I just find it hard to fathom how they reconcile their religious beliefs with vandalism.

who says they're Christian in the first place? Maybe they are...but maybe they aren't either. There's more to proving oneself a Christian than writing "Jesus Saves" on a wall. If a kid writes "bomb" on the wall does it make him the unabomber?

And as far as the speed thing goes or the reckless driving....who's to say the one behind the wheel that particular moment is the owner of the car? Maybe it's a relative or the next door neighbor for all you know.

Also, have you stopped to consider that maybe the car was sold with the fish symbol on it? I've actually seen that happen before where a Christian actually felt guilty because he FORGOT to take the little fish symbol off the car when he sold it.

Besides, I'm a Christian and I know from time to time I go over the speed limit. I don't try to. I try to honor the law and I try my best to be a polite driver, but just because I'm a Christian, I'm not perfect.....but I'd never deface anybody's property. Never.

You know the saying....a Christian isn't perfect......just forgiven.

I think you could be jumping to conclusions here.

Really?

So the dozens of fish I see swim past me every day are just a coincidence or are second-hand cars? The dozens of Christian scrawlings I see on bathroom walls are what? Atheists who are just writing these thing for kicks?

Get real.

well then believe what you what.

You say you're a Christian but then you take every opportunity to bash Christians and calling them stupid isn't very nice....if indeed they were Christians in the first place.

I can't imagine calling a brother or sister in Christ stupid.

Besides, many people like Christian symbols...ie..fish,cross, doves,angels, etc but have no inclination towards Christianity when it comes to doctrine.

Mason-

There is a mindset that humans have. This mindset is, "If someone else is doing it, it's okay for me to do it too." It's the mob mentality that happens in riots, just scaled down to bathroom-wall writing. Yeah, it's wrong. But someone else already did it. Why shouldn't I add something positive to all that negativity pouring off the wall at me? It's already vandalized. Well, it's still wrong to do it, but it's easier to justify it to yourself that way.

It's like the car they put in the nice neighborhood, and the one they put in the crappy neighborhood. The next day, the crappy neighborhood car was completely wrecked. A week later, the nice neighborhood car was still fine. Then, they broke a window on the nice neighborhood car. The next day, it was completely wrecked. It was okay to smash the rest of the windows, because someone had already smashed one window.

It's the same thing with speeding. Everyone else is speeding, I'm just being rude if I go slower, right? Got to do the loving thing and get out of their way by going 90.

It's definitely part of the fleshy, non-Christ part of us. But it's still there.

Only certain Christians. There are plenty of true, honest, non self-righteous, non hypocritical Christians that I really like.



Why not? Stupid people are stupid people.

Yeah, it just amazes me that people can be such hypocrites.

I can call myself God, but that does not make it so.  People like to deceive themselves and believe they are one thing, when their deeds indicate they clearly are not.

"Jesus Saves"
"That's why I flush mine."

You say you're a Christian but then you take every opportunity to bash Christians and calling them stupid isn't very nice

To quote a popular 90's philosopher, "Stupid is as stupid does." In context, the stupid Christians would be the ones behaving as described in the article.

Also, have you stopped to consider that maybe the car was sold with the fish symbol on it? I've actually seen that happen before where a Christian actually felt guilty because he FORGOT to take the little fish symbol off the car when he sold it.

If I bought a car that had the bumper sticker "John Kerry: Taking America Back!" I'd be scraping that sucker off real fast.

Besides he did write "from a supposed Christian," meaning the actual Christianity of the person could be doubted based on his actions.

I too originally wrote the "maybe they're not really Christians" argument in my original response, but removed it before posting. Based on the way the article is worded and the weakness of the argument itself, it wasn't worth making.

Why are you looking up here when the joke's in your hand

I like that one. or...

Here I sit on the pooper, givin' birth to a Texas State Trooper.

That's a good one too. Now, uh....what were we talkin' about?    Oh yeah: JESUS SAVES! BUT MOSES INVESTS.

...and

flush twice 'cause it's a long way to the kitchen

and

piss fast 'cause Texas crabs can swim upstream.

one more and I swear I'll quit:

Sticks and stones may break my bones,
but whips and chains excite me,
So throw me down,
and tie me up and show me that you like me.

I lied. I'm prone to do that, you know. One more:

This is a tee-pee for you to pee-pee not a wig-wam to beat your tom-tom.

Sigh...

saw a birdie in the snow
it had a broken wing and couldn't go
I lured it closer with some bread
and crushed it's tiny f****ing head

Shovel, you been taking pages out of my book, posting 5 posts one after another! Is my senility catching

In a related story, the Vatican today released its 10 Commandments for Drivers.

"It called for drivers to obey speed limits and to exercise a host of Christian virtues: charity to fellow drivers, prudence on the roads, hope of arriving safely and justice in the event of crashes." 1. You shall not kill. 2. The road shall be for you a means of communion between people and not of mortal harm. 3. Courtesy, uprightness and prudence will help you deal with unforeseen events. 4. Be charitable and help your neighbor in need, especially victims of accidents. 5. Cars shall not be for you an expression of power and domination, and an occasion of sin. 6. Charitably convince the young and not so young not to drive when they are not in a fitting condition to do so. 7. Support the families of accident victims. 8. Bring guilty motorists and their victims together, at the appropriate time, so that they can undergo the liberating experience of forgiveness. 9. On the road, protect the more vulnerable party. 10. Feel responsible toward others.

because.....as a follower of Christ he says NOT to that's why.  

At the Sermon on the Mount he said whosoever shall say to his brother "empty head" shall be in danger of the council and whosoever shall call him a "fool" is in danger of hell fire.

Basically he was saying all this name calling reveals what's in the heart. Out of the heart the mouth speaks. It's heartitude that gets us into trouble.

And everywhere else all thru scripture we're to encourage each other, not tear each other down. We're not supposed to be Christian cannibals.

Besides, unless you know them you can only ASSUME they were Christians because you can't really know for sure.



I agree with this....we're Christians, not Perfectionists. It's a battle between flesh and spirit when we misbehave.

Bingo! Big difference between claiming to be one and actually being one.

Had KFC not been so quick to get all defensive she would have caught that herself.

Shovel :

oooooh Stop....defensive my foot!

look at your title........and then you said this:







What am I supposed to think huh? If they're not atheists...they must be Christians right? I don't think I'm way off here Mason....just because you used the word "supposed" in one spot doesn't quite let you off the hook my friend.

And I did say something similar as the Doc did when I said just because a kid writes "bomb" on the wall doesn't make him the unabomber. But your reply to me led me to believe you meant to hurt Christians here.

I think you have a valid point in bringing this whole thing up but not quite the way you did..if you know what I mean.

Well, then, Mason's the least of your worries. Which is worse, a person who bashes "supposed" Christians for their car ornaments or a person who bears false witness against someone, runs them out of church and tries to have their children taken away.

I'll take 1,000 Masons over ONE of these Southern Baptists down here (don't know how different they are in YOUR neck of the woods).

since we're NE...we have very few SB groups up here. The ones we do have, are very good. So while I've heard alot of surprising and sad stories about the SB missionaries of late, I have not with the churches.

It just goes to show you have some bad apples in every barrel. Even Paul in his day was having these types of struggles so we shouldn't be surprised. Many start off ok, but then fall away or just plain go bad. I guess it's the whole wheat and tares thing Jesus spoke of.

Hook? That's laughable.

Yes, I did follow up your initial overly defensive post with some comments deliberately intended to egg you on as you had obviously totally missed the subtle aspects of my original post. Perhaps you should read the very first sentence again.



Yes, you did, but you just couldn't stop with making that simple point but instead had to launch yourself into a flurry of defensiveness which prompted my later replies as, I'll say it yet again, you totally missed the point of the article.



I'll make my points in the manner in which I most see fit if you know what I mean.