If it wasnt for the threat Russian ICBMs Einsenhower would have continued his 20 year program to expand on aviation only.



A source plese, he gave one.



Yes, it didnt work in Darfur, but it worked in thousands of other situation were not a gun shot was fired, while you guys are still entrenched in a war that will most likely be going on for more then a decade.

are you on drugs...
we wouldn't exactly be rushing along, but scientists were more than eagre enough with the ICBM technology. eisenhower was probably more influenced by them than the russians.

like korea?
dammit people I NEED THAT ROFL SMILY!!!

because the UN has got no balls to stand up WHERE IT MATTERS
skirting around serious issues is the European way, I dont like it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISS#Pressurized_modules_to_be_launched
its riddled with russian cancelations, many of which have been passed up for american upgrade.
about the delays, I'll post that later.

Sorry to bust your bubble but only two modules on that list was canceled from it original launch date and been delay/not planned. It is the Multipurpose Laboratory Module that hasn't been launched as of yet.

All others has been either launch on USA's shuttle instead of Russia's launch platform or replaced/redesign by Russia. Which part they are holding up their end of Vodka you don't understand?

Two canceled modules are either Japan or USA. That hasn't been redesign/planed as of yet. Apparently you was misinformed and the informational has been gleaned from that website you linked.

look closer, Russia has delayed many of its more expensive contributions back a few years and consolidated the costs.
some of the modules have been pushed back from 2 years from now to a later date. if they havent already had the thing mostly built by now, what does that say?

Your right we do need a ROFL one. Because you dont know any history besides the most obvious historical events. Seriously, have you ever heard of the Suez Conflict, or Yom Kippur? How about the UN camps in Congo, or Somalia? How about the intervention in the Dominican Civil War?

Oh yea I forgot, Americans dont study history(even their own), they would rather have immigrants know it. That way they can make sure that we can be 'good citizens'

Dare I continue?



I dont know after suffering through two world wars while you sat across the ocean monopolizing on others peoples suffering and conflict would make any country want to stay out of helping you guys.

we broke all historical precedence to help you guys surgically seperate you from each other's asses. how about you understand a little historical precedence before saying this sort of thing.

had almost nothing to do with the UN
you mean the UNEF? they sat around on their asses to be a military presence AFTER the israelis kicked egyptian ass. thats not doing anything, thats taking credit for someone elses victory

War I assume.
didnt accomplish anything, fighting happened, israelis kicked ass again.

peace keeping forces; i.e. politicians saying "we did our part, now leave us alone to celebrate doing absolutely nothing"

American intervention you twit.

how about you do say more, seeing as you russians dont bother to learn any history.

The UN

Maybe your thinking of Haiti?

Study your hisotyr

oh for christsake, look up the fact that you are wrong
Lyndon B. Johnson
ordered AMERICAN troops into the dominican republic
to sway the war in our favor.

do you see anything other than US involvment here? because I dont.
now, before you start accusing me of being historically ignorant, how about you stop making wildly false statements and huge bungles as such.

I won't get too much in foreign politic both of you. Because this isn't the forum to discuss it.

As for the Russia space program. I don't even deny the delay but what I am saying is they made up for it. Only one module hasn't been sent up and I notice you said "modules" give me a list of them.

All modules, except for the one, have been launched if you read closer. Just remember that despite the low fund level they have tried to held up their promise albeit little late(except for the two year on last module). Don't blame them NASA is also falling behind on their promise (Columbia anyone? Oh and Bush promise to go to Mars /shudder.).

Columbia was an unforseen accident, not a bungling of funds.
and Russia has consolidated many of its modules, not just one. this is all nice and well, except that these modules are supposed to be launched sooner, not later.

its not just bush who wants to go, the scientific community is looking forward to it as well.

Some people could argue that it was foreseen(Example, engineer on ground requiring good picture of the puncture wound and become aware of possible dangerous reentry).



Really? My dad is an engineer(Contractor to NASA mean He work for them). He saying to go to Mars is an engineer and scientist nightmare. That may not hold true for everybody within Scientific community. The reason why I think Bush's current program will flounder because his father also tried to get support for one earlier.
Wikipedia-Vision For Space Exploration:
Others, such as the Mars Society have argued that it makes more sense to avoid going back to the Moon and instead focus on going to Mars first.

Wikipedia-Space Exploration Initiative:
On July 20, 1989 President George H. W. Bush announced plans for the Space Exploration Initiative (SEI), calling for construction of the Space Station Freedom, sending humans back to the Moon, and ultimately sending astronauts to Mars. He proposed not a 10-year Apollo-style plan, but a long-range continuing commitment based on the three above elements, ending with “a journey into tomorrow – a journey to another planet – a manned mission to Mars.” The President noted it was humanity’s destiny to explore, and America’s destiny to lead. He ended by asking Vice President Quayle to lead the National Space Council in determining what was needed to carry out these missions in terms of money, manpower and technology.

Following this announcement NASA Administrator Richard Truly initiated a study of the options to achieve the President’s goals, headed by Johnson Space Center Director Aaron Cohen.

Need me to point out the year we would have land on moon if this program was successful eh?

ask him for me how having a massive influx of funds bloating our rather measly space program is a nightmare for engineers (dammit, he should want this) or scientists. I would really like to understand the concept behind that, its illogical from any perspective I can think of.


sounds like a smart idea to me.

current bush is a blundering idealist, but his father wasnt half as bad. associating the rather intelligent insight of one with the idealistic, desperate attempts of another is a big mistake.

Bush couldnt be more different from his father.

give it a bloody rest, I've given up on correcting your myriad of grade-school mistakes.

Oh yes, those couple hundred thousand will hold up marvelously well...



Same with the country hes leading.



Yes, on a greatly reduced budget, have fun getting there.. in a carton.

I wasn't talking about massive influx of funds(You are implying inflation which is the last thing anyone need). Rather better congress fund(No more of those sneaky budget cuts) and better support without politic support(Meaning NASA can do thing without congress approve like how FBI/CIA/NSA work without "approving", because current every penny has to be approve though a lengthy/difficult process and lastly don't have to rely on public support as well).


Half bad? It is difficult to be certain of which Bushes you are talking about. Just say Bush Sr./Jr., at least this way I can tell which is which. I am saying Bush Sr. tried to commit NASA to Mars but he failed terrible(Longtime commit from politic ::roll eye:. However Bush Jr. took the almost "exactly" same step to commit NASA to Mars all over again except this time there are conflict over what to do(Look at Mars Society comment above for an example).

Have you heard of Like Father, Like Son?-End Sarcasm

have either one of you even payed attention to his policies?
he declared intent, not action. thats your first mistake


the marvels of capitalism reveal themselves.

the reason we have the limited terms is that so one president cant do so much damage. like it or not, we're still the leading nation in the world. stop with the incessant xenophobia, its irritating.

1) its needs

2) how does not having an influx of funds benefit research? and when did I imply inflation? that was nowhere in there.

there is only ONE bush who had a father in office, you twit.

if you payed attention to your quote, thats the LAST thing on his mind. Bush Sr.'s plan for the slow escalation IS STILL BEING FOLLOWED IN CONCEPT.
the only difference is that NASA is being foolishly tangled up in this useless ISS, that black hole of funds is being tied up with incompetant contributions and incessant delays by other countries.

there have been NO steps taken, the bushes have both set a hopeful precedent for the future, but they have made no foolish action to try and accomplish it.
why? because they are smarter than you are.

if you think those two are even remotely alike... well...
you're an idiot.

Sorry there, I thought you were talking about NASA.




Is that the new presidential role, to intend but never act?



I am anything but xenophobic, I accept new ideas, that is more then can be said for half the bueracracy this country calls a government.

You want to know the real reason behind the term limit?

Political Power. The Republicans did not want the democrats to ever again have that much power for so long. It wasnt really for the greater good of the nation, more for the selfish greed of the Republican Party.

See now, Bush's policies will effect this country for years to come, the foreign relations nightmare he has caused wont be sorted out for a decade.

For the wolrds sake though I would love the US to stop being so arrogant and get off its fat ass and on its feet again. I like this country seven years ago, wish I could go back in time.



Can you define 'they' please, I know you cant mean Bush Jr, I mean him and Xaviar even match grammatical comprehension lelvers.

This thread has turned into the biggest train wreck on the forums; talk about a going off track and derailing...

I am feeling the same thing.

One) What is needing here?

Two) Influx can be interpret as either plenty or insane amount which was why I see it as inflation.



I dare you to admit you are an anti-twit . I meant whenever you say he/him I am unsure which guy you are referring to. Is that hard to communication to you? Not whose is in white house at the moment.

Only Bush Jr. has done so far has been gave a "goal" to NASA with budget approve for this year who know what happen in next five years.(One of the reason Bush Sr.'s initiative failed is he didn't "follow though to the bitter end".)

Have you ever taken an economics class? Ever? Go down to your local community college and take the macroeconomics class. And while you're there, take a few English classes too.



I'm no history buff but didn't George Washington set that precedent? I know it didn't become actual law until much later but still, gimme a break.

Oh yeah? Have you seen this thread?

Yes, well moving on...UKPM Tony Blair announced his resignation this week after 10 years in office. Can you imagine Bush in office after 10 years? It would make the damage Blair has done to Britain's world relations look tame.

There is however the imminent threat of our next PM, who is not known for his delicate attitudes towards foreigners.

'Tis true, Bush may have done irreparable damage to the USA's foreign relations, now I'm not going to lie to you and this may come as a shock [sic], but America was not the most popular country in the world before Bush's reign from atop a mountain of skulls, but opinion was certainly higher than it is now.



Yes, forget brave new worlds lets squabble over budget reports, oil and phantom WMD's for the next thousand years...Arthur C Clarke once said that he was surprised by the lack of space travel between the time he wrote 2001 and now, he honestly thought we could have a stable infrastructure in space by now if we had set our minds to it.

that a child will compare his own intellect to any president is quite laughable. you may not like his policies, but its also quite obvious that you dont understand the motivation behind them.

first of all, wedge is right. that precedent dated back over a century

second of all, republicans had every reason to despise FDR. FDR was a massive reformist (along with his cousin) who bloated the government like crazy. he broke just about every presidential precedent in history in a few short years. if you had even a little money back then, you would be fuming to.

the difference between FDRs and TRs presidencies is that TRs reforms broke serious issues with corruption and trust consolidation, FDR worked to create a massive government dependancy with the new deal.

influx simply means input. if I was to say cat, I mean a typical cat, I dont mean a maine coon.

I am interpreting his English best as I could consider he don't check his sentences for errors/horrible concepts. Have you ever own a trillion of trillions cash in hand?(Wasn't referring to exact number and Govt Bureaucracy 101, The more money an agency has the more likely there will be higher risk of corruption. Which is better known as waste of money. NASA don't exactly need a influx(Which I view as one time lump sum of money) to do better.) What would work is increase the NASA's budget of the next 5 years or so by about 75 million dollars to start with. We all know how unlikely that is going to happen right?

Example Of Bureaucracy Economy: Budget Overrun Real Economy

I am a child comparing someone else intellect to any president? Is this what you meant?

I am not discussing the motivation, rather the action that did take place no more no less.

Input being not fix amount each years. The best solution is little by little raise the NASA's budget each years. That way we won't have to raise too much taxes(Iraq War money sinkhole anyone?).

Why bring Cat and Maine Coon into this forum? Just curious since I can tell that Maine Coon is a "specific type of cat".

not you, emp.

none of us here are politicians or economists, understanding political action is beyond you or me. I'm reasonably confident that they are not throwing the country down the tubes, seeing as we're still here.

1) taxes have not been raised
2) why does raising little by little help anything? it only means that NASA would remain underfunded longer.
3) Iraq is a great pump-primer for the American economy, not to mention its an even better pump-primer for the Middle east's economy.