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Join Date 09/2004

Coming to Terms with a problem

I've always put a lot of emphasis on whether i was a liberal or conservative, republican or democrat. At times i called my self a centrist. Other times i would've been happy with being called a purple people eater.

Regardless. I've been reading several books over the course of the last few months. I've finally come to terms with it and realized that, i am conservative, despite what i may think or want. (on the inside) Deep down inside i am red all the way. But, that doesn't mean i am, as some call them, arrogant and self righteous. I am tolerant of others beliefs, despite being fairly solid on some of mine. I am not a traditional conservative in that i am pious and anti gay/lesbian. I can tolerate their choice and i really don't consider myself pious, or religious at all. I think that i am more so, a tolerant conservative. Contrary to popular belief.

Whether or not i am accurate in my decision, i've finally found a place where i am comfortable.

--Lucas

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Congratulations, you are a Conservative, but without the stereotypes. ;~D

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So you think that your personal political beliefs are a 'problem'?

Around and around the carousel goes, and where it stops, nobody knows.....

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You can be a traditional conservative and still be considerably different from the traditional conservatives around you.

Personally, I don't associate myself with any political party. I just tend to vote for who has the same values and such that I do. Doesn't just stop at values, but other things as well such as (since im in the education field), education...etc, how they have voted in the past and how their programs have worked out in the past.

For example...The first governor I could vote for (I was 19 at the time) was Ventura. Luckily, I wasn't able to go and waste my vote on him. I wanted to vote for him because, at the time, he had a lot of good points, ideas and plans and all. As his time in office went on...I realized that he was not what I wanted. In the last couple of presidential elections...I have voted for the Dems and the main kicker that had me voting that way was the stance on Education. In local elections....I voted for the people who did their job successfuly and didn't even look at their party affiliation. If a local state rep was doing their job and doing it well...I voted for them.

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The first governor I could vote for (I was 19 at the time) was Ventura. Luckily, I wasn't able to go and waste my vote on him.

You wouldn't have "wasted" your vote, you would have just used your voice to back a candidate who you later changed your mind about.

You actually did waste your vote... by not voting at all.

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So you think that your personal political beliefs are a 'problem'?Around and around the carousel goes, and where it stops, nobody knows.....

It was a problem in that i had no base, nothing that i felt i could stand on. I felt i didn't have a foundation, i felt too compromising. I'd say well i believe _____ way, but.... And don't tell me you never had questions about where you stood.

What a moronic and bigoted statement! I am a traditional conservative and I am anything but pious. And just to clear certain things up for you, traditional conservatives are not 'anti gay/lesbian' either. We just don't see the need to make gays and lesbians members of a new protected class, like blacks or the disabled. We've seen time and time again how these 'protected classes' soon become 'preferred classes' and would like to see all such distinctions eliminated entirely.

Nope, and Nope. The majority of conservatives around my home town are that way.

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Seems some people don't understand where i'm coming (or going) from/to.

I do apologize that my comments sounded bigoted,etc... I didn't mean it that way, at all.

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You wouldn't have "wasted" your vote, you would have just used your voice to back a candidate who you later changed your mind about. You actually did waste your vote... by not voting at all.

True...any vote isnt really a wasted vote...but in the end, at the end of his term, you could really see the damage he had caused and it bothered me big time that I wanted to vote for him. I wanted to vote, but my employer never gave me the time off work to go and vote. I was working at a grocery store and it they kept saying they would give me time off to go and vote, but never did.

(kinda like how Ziggy here voted Democrat due to their position on a single issue--his paycheck as an educator.

Back to your ways I see. I said the main kicker, or turning point for me was the education factor. Never said it was about my pay, not once.

Never mind that they promote abortion, same-sex marriage, excessive taxation, excessive government interference in private lives, political correctness run amok, bigotry against successful blacks...

Each party has their own issues, both good and bad and not one stands out above the other. I don't support abortion, nor same sex marriage; taxation...I don't see the excessive side over on my end. City, state, and Fed services need to be paid for...granted the Gov is way too big...but at the same time...I don't see all of the Rep party saying no to annual pay raises for the congress / senate, or see them working to make the gov smaller, or less taxes (since they are the majority...this shouldnt be a problem...but has yet to actually happen).

I don't agree with the Gov interfering in peoples lives (like Bush's wiretapping)...and they don't unless there is a need to. They have no need to look into me, particularly since Im not doing anything that would warrant them to do so...such as for example...doing something illegal at home. But...I don't do illegal things at home, or pretty much anything illegal at all. Maybe thats just me and who I am.

Ziggy's vote was bought by an empty promise of more funds for education

Again, nope. Good try though.

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I didn't mean that i knew directly what people felt. I shouldn't have stated that way. Call it, an assumption. An error on my part.

I based it (anti gay statement) on the fact of measure 36's results in klamath county which was: (I believe, its coming from memory as the link isn't working) 76% -24%

Here is the link to oregon's '04 election: Link

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It was a problem in that i had no base, nothing that i felt i could stand on.

So, you needed to label your beliefs in order to have something to "stand on". I don't label myself. I typically vote republican because I am a fiscal conservative. However, if a democrat ran that didn't want to have more social programs, then I might vote for him (depending on other factors). I don't need a label to know where I stand, and labeling myself won't let others no where I stand. Instead, stand up for your beliefs, vote for people who have the same views, and don't worry about the rest.

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If you remembered, in the past (here on JU and before) I was always...wobbly...

I'm not necessarily labeling myself, as more of: I am finding myself.

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(Oh, did you get the email karma?)

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Like i said. (I think) I was wrong with what i said.

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I didn't mean that i knew directly what people felt. I shouldn't have stated that way. Call it, an assumption. An error on my part.

I also said this.

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Lucas: You might have noticed (or not) that I avoid your posts.

It still seems, VERY much, that you seek out what you think is popular, and adapt your outlook accordingly. You instantly fold to the will of others.

I really don't think that what you've expressed here is your true view (although, I could be misjudging you), I think it's what you thought would bring you the most positive interaction.

I feel for you, dude, we all want to be accepted. I hope that you learn to stand up for yourself and your true beliefs.

Best wishes.

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Lucas: You might have noticed (or not) that I avoid your posts.

I did...

It still seems, VERY much, that you seek out what you think is popular, and adapt your outlook accordingly. You instantly fold to the will of others.I really don't think that what you've expressed here is your true view (although, I could be misjudging you), I think it's what you thought would bring you the most positive interaction.I feel for you, dude, we all want to be accepted. I hope that you learn to stand up for yourself and your true beliefs.
I, in all honesty, figure that is probably how the majority of people here will view me. Its no ones fault but my own.

Also, I have beliefs and the fact that i would fold is why i ended up with this decision. I (like i said) never felt like i had a base, i was wishy washy. Its your right to feel that i'm full of it on this, but, you are incorrect.

I don't think people understand that i am over the "drama queen" BS. I still want to interact, yes, who doesn't. But, I'm not going to go to great lengths for it. I'm not going to plead for interaction... I'm just going to post...whatever i feel like (within the TOS/TOU) and if i get comments...then..'woohoo', if not, then no big deal. I've come to grips/terms with it and dealt with it. I truly feel i've changed, for the good.

Lets take a look at some of my views...

Gun rights... I am very for it. Why? Because i believe that the US constitution says that we have the right to keep and bear arms. However, i feel that we do need to do something with criminals and their ability to access guns. What should we do? I don't know, i do not have a plan of my own pertaining to that.

Abortion, I am against it. Call it an emotionally driven thing for me, cause it is. I *do not* like the idea of killing things...especially what could be life. Partial birth abortions, are, IMO, completely morbid.

Gay/lesbian rights. I have no qualms with it. Live and let live.

These are my views, not popular opinon. Mine. They may change with time and newly discovered wisdom/intelligene, but as for now...

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What...No reply?

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[Closing due to stupidity]

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We just don't see the need to make gays and lesbians members of a new protected class, like blacks or the disabled. We've seen time and time again how these 'protected classes' soon become 'preferred classes' and would like to see all such distinctions eliminated entirely.

Whoa...loaded statement, very loaded.

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