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Finished my first beta 5 game - You're a cheater

March 22, 2015 12:50:00 AM from Elemental ForumsElemental Forums

I have, just this minute, completed my first beta 5 game and when the credits came up it says "you're a cheater".

 

To be honest I was quite pissed off being called a cheater.

 

I have not used any cheats, the only thing I did was reload when my hero was killed.

 

I would like to know what constitutes cheating?

 

I was enjoying my game until this stupid end message, now I don't get a score or anything.

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Reply #1 March 22, 2015 2:28:22 PM
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90 views, no replies? I am keen to hear from the developers as, a day on, I am still miffed having played for 8 hours only to be told I had played using cheats.

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Reply #2 March 22, 2015 3:43:43 PM
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Hmmm...we have some 'cheat detection' stuff in there (if olayers use /cheats and actually USE a cheat key) but it sounds like that code has gone awry  Unless you DID actually cheat...  

We'll investigate & congrats on the win! 

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Reply #3 March 22, 2015 3:49:37 PM
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Same here. I just beat him and it said "You are a cheater."

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Reply #4 March 22, 2015 5:09:42 PM
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@ScottTykoski thanks for looking into it. I have no knowledge of any cheats for SK.

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Reply #5 March 22, 2015 5:43:16 PM
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Since this is a single player game, why would it matter if someone cheated anyway?

 

What's the point of including such an end game comment?

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Reply #6 March 22, 2015 8:21:19 PM
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Quoting Borg999,
reply 5

Since this is a single player game, why would it matter if someone cheated anyway?

 

What's the point of including such an end game comment?

If one really did cheat, just typical Stardock humor I expect. Harmless fun, I do believe they want that fun working correctly though.

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Reply #7 March 22, 2015 9:50:45 PM
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Reloading a game when you've played further I would classify as cheating.

 

Quoting Borg999,
reply 5

Since this is a single player game, why would it matter if someone cheated anyway?

 

What's the point of including such an end game comment?

 

Highscorelists, morals.

To tell people that they didn't win. They cheated.

 

 

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Reply #8 March 22, 2015 11:42:48 PM
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I certainly wouldn't classify reloading as cheating. If you want to play iron man go for it I just want a fun game.

 

The game would be impossible to play without reloading anyway. A it crashes at times and second the battlers are too hit and miss. You cannot alway predict the likely outcome.

 

for example,

 

I do a quick resolve battle when I have large points advantage and I end up being defeated. Reload run as my own battle and I don't lose a single unit.

 

The opposite is also true, run a full battle and get squished with some units being wasted in the opening round. Reload and then run as quick resolve and I don't lose any units.

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Reply #9 March 23, 2015 1:48:08 AM
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Also because of the Dungeon Master? If I understand things correctly, Stardock would gather information about how people play the game and then use that to improve the AI. Now, if you're cheating, or using mods, clearly the information that you supply is not going to be worth anything.

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Reply #10 March 23, 2015 2:58:30 AM
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So, if they consider data to be not useful then remove from analysis. Easy, but it sounds like their "cheating" system is not working correctly.

 

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Reply #11 March 23, 2015 7:46:12 AM
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It could also be that they consider the players playing the beta to be a cheather, because they get information about the game before the real audience/public. 

We, beta-testers, thus has an advantage over the non-beta testers/regular players 

 

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Reply #12 March 23, 2015 9:15:55 AM
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The main purpose of that data is for the Metarealm, where a bunch of game stats will be uploaded for people to compare, contrast, and brag over  Need some basic cheating tests to make sure that system doesn't degrade into a a useless mess of cheated game stats

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Reply #13 March 27, 2015 9:04:29 PM
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I have just done a little test

 

Start a new game - played 4-5 turns.

 

Save and retired and you're a cheater

 

I hope this bug gets fixed asap as it is ruining my experience of the game

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Reply #14 March 30, 2015 9:13:19 AM
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You assume it means you cheated on this particular game. The code goes much further to detect if you have ever cheated on a game in your life. Does this ring a bell? 

UP, UP, DOWN, DOWN, LEFT, RIGHT, LEFT, RIGHT, B, A, START



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Reply #15 March 30, 2015 9:20:33 AM
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Just a note that I moved this out of the journals forum section. That is only for developers to post in.

 

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Reply #16 March 30, 2015 10:59:32 AM
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Quoting domino215,
reply 14

You assume it means you cheated on this particular game. The code goes much further to detect if you have ever cheated on a game in your life. Does this ring a bell? 

UP, UP, DOWN, DOWN, LEFT, RIGHT, LEFT, RIGHT, B, A, START

 

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Reply #17 March 30, 2015 12:26:46 PM
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In my mind, I assume Scott taunted Paul one too many times with "your momma is so..." jokes so Paul snuck over and planted this nefarious code in SK. Scott obviously had it coming. Developer pranks are going too far over there; Paxton needs to take back control NOW!

In reality, if I saw this in my game I would laugh and leave it at that. I recognize SD humor. Please do not take it seriously.

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