If you are referring to Ereog's Tower then it is +1 fame per turn (by the xml files), it is also not +1 mana, it is +1 air shard mana. So, you get more air power.

Yeah, you are referring to my wonder base mod... so yes it is precisely working as intended.

You should be able to upgrade to Ereog's Tower : ) (for a really cheap cheap price)

The point was that you get the wonder race by building a really "bad" building and then upgrade to the good building.

I guess I succeeded in making this mod an integral part of the game

Yes. the point is that if you didn't win the monument race then you have a civ option, you end up with nothing...or you get something, just not much.

For example if another country built the great pyramids... impressive but not the original.

So Ereog's tower was a particular difficult one to make a base. The actual monuments bonus was

+1 air power per season

+1 fame per season

My base that I made was

+1 mana per season

+1 fame -- period

I didn't have much to work with unlike the other monuments. I would have to change the actual ereog's tower bonus itself. All the bonuses were a subset of the original bonuses. The +1 fame per season is a rather powerful bonus, so I didn't want to include that bonus. +1 air power is a nice bonus, and should be the final product as well. So, this leaves me with what I did above.

What do you suggest without changing the actual wonder tower bonus and make the base be a significantly lower bonus than the original?

I'm famous!  I get more famous by 0.2 per week/season (depending on mod). <grin>

Well, you don't have to be limited to the '+1' for starters.

For example, Ereog's Monument could provide a flat 50 Fame with an additional +1 mana per air shard per turn.

By the time it's built, 50 Fame won't mean that much...though I would argue that mana per turn could be better than the air shard....depends on how many air shards you have...

SO, perhaps then this thread should be about how to make Ereog's Tower more balanced?

For starters, the tower could grant the sovereign a specialized spell casting trait....something along the lines of aeriomancy...but with better spells. Since only 1 faction will be getting this tower, the spells can't be broken, but they would have to be interesting and unique.

The tower could always gain the ability of +1 mana per air shard per turn. Extra mana never hurt anyone...

I suppose lastly, are there other structures to provide effective shard bonus for the other elements? If not, the Tower could just give all 4 shards; air, fire, earth, water. Perhaps the Tower could be designed into a 4 part structure, gaining a new shard type upon completion of each level.

I still think that, since this Ereog is strongly connected with heroes, that the completed structure should also be providing heroes within the city 1-3 XP per turn. Something that gives heroes reason to sit around.

Any other ideas?

Someone who makes excellant mods could always expand his wondersmod to include revamped towers?

I'd have to take a closer look at the other towers before compiling together what I would think to be balanced.....which I would be more than willing to do. More to come this evening... (unless someone can post what the towers currently provide, as well as what Parrotmath's wondermod currently provides for the 'mini-towers', if anything)

Good Morning

Okay....let's take a look at these major buildings:

Adventurer's Guild (allowed 1 per faction)

Provides:
Stationed Units have 25% chance at gaining +1 XP per Turn
+1 Fame per Turn

Notes:
Imo this description should read +1 XP for Stationed Heroes to keep in line with actual. Recommend keeping this as +1 XP per Turn for Stationed Heroes.

Arena (allowed 1 per faction)

Provides:
+50% Food
+30% Gildar
+50% Growth when Producing Growth
Stationed Units have 25% chance at gaining +1 XP per Turn

Notes:
Does this building have the same 'error' occuring at the Adventurer's Guild? Recommend changing to +1 XP per Turn for Stationed Units.
Also, should THIS stucture be called the 'Great Arena' and the 'Great Arena' simply be called the 'Arena' ? Seem like a name change should occur.

Central Library (Parrotmath's MOD that acts as a base for Hosten's Library - allowed 1 per faction)

Provides:
+2% Research in all cities
+1 Fame

Notes:
The +1 Fame is pretty dismal for such an educated advancement. Recommend changing to +10 Fame.

Embassy (requires Base Town)

Provides:
Negates the unrest penalty from the amount of cities in your empire.

Notes:
This is VERY underwhelming. Only negates 3% unrest? Really? Consider revising. Is there a way to negate the unrest penalty in 'nearby' cities?
This appears to be a weaker version of Tower of Dominion (See below). Considering that, I recommend adding +5 Fame and +0.5 Growth. 

Ereog's Monument (Parrotmath's MOD that acts as a base for Ereog's Tower - allowed 1 per faction)

Provides:
+1 Mana per Turn
+1 Fame

Notes:
In conjunction with the world achievement, recommend increasing the provides to: +1 Mana per Air Shard per Turn AND +1 Fame per Turn

Ereog's Tower (World Achievement)

Provides:
+1 Air Power
+1 Fame per Turn

Notes:
Overall, an underwhelming achivement. Recommend increasing the provides to: +1 Air Power AND +3 Fame per Turn

Great Mill (World Achievement)

Provides:
+25% Food
+25 Production
+10 Fame

Notes:
The +10 Fame is underwhelming. Recommend increasing to +50 Fame.

Hosten's Library (World Achievement)

Provides:
+10% Research in all cities
+10 Fame

Notes:
The +10 Fame is underwhelming. Recommend increasing to +50 Fame.

Ironworks (World Achievement)

Provides:
+8 Metal per Turn

Notes:
With metal being so abundantly available, this wonder is useless. Recommend making metal slightly more scarce. Also recommend adding +50 Fame.

Large Foundry (Parrotmath's MOD that acts as a base for the Ironworks - allowed 1 per faction)

Provides:
+5 Metal Per Turn

Notes:
Presumably the +5 is an attempt to balance this structure with simply gaining the metal from ironore sites. Since, recommend that this provides be reduced to +3 Metal Per Turn. Also, in conjunction with the world achievement, recommend adding +10 Fame.

Large Mill (Parrotmath's MOD that acts as a base for the Great Mill - allowed 1 per faction)

Provides:
+5% Food
+5% Production
+1 Fame

Notes:
In conjuction with the world achievement, the +1 Fame is underwhelming. Recommend increasing the to +10 Fame

Merchantcross Bazaar (World Achievement)

Provides:
+10% Gildar in all cities
+10 Fame

Notes:
Because of the early access one has to this wonder, I am hesitant to have the +10 Fame increased to +50 like in the other world achievements. Perhaps +25 Fame is the right amount.

National Bazaar (Parrotmath's MOD that acts as a base for the Merchantcross Bazaar - allowed 1 per faction)

Provides:
+2% Gildar in all citiess
+1 Fame

Notes:
In conjunction with the world achievement, I recommend changing the fame bonus to +5 Fame.

Tower of Dominion (allowed 1 per faction)

Provides:
+1 Growth
+10 Fame
Negates unrest penalty from the amount of cities in your empire

Notes:
Understandably since this is an early game item, the unrest penalty shouldn't be huge, but 3% reduction is very minor. That said. the other items tend to balance it off....especially the +10 Fame which is critially important at the early stages of the game.

Other Notes:

- Why is 'Forge of the Overlord' called that? All the other 3 towers are 'Towers of the...". Recommend changing the name to 'Tower of the Overlord'.
Note: I have never gone for this victory (as I have heard it's too easy). It is possible, or perhaps already existing, that the requirement for the Spell of Making is for ALL four towers to be completed?

- I noticed several structures appearing twice in the Hiergamenon, presumably because of Parrotmath's MOD. Not sure if it's worth persuing to remove the duplicate copy? Nevertheless, for referance, the duplicates are: Foundry, Iron Mine, Market, Smelter, Tax Office.

- In many of the wonders and wonderbases I have recommended an increase to Fame. Presumably a player is unable to build ALL wonders during the coarse of the game, but if an inbalance does being to exist because of the increased Fame bonuses, then perhaps the Fame amounts need to be adjusted? (not sure where that is found...)

Well, there you have it Parrotmath. I have had no intension of stepping on your toes when it comes to your mod.

An essence added to Ereog's Tower would be a very interesting way to go.

I still think +1 XP per Turn for Stationed Heroes would be another very nice added benefit.

I suppose the main question is why Ereog's Tower a per Turn Fame bonus whereas all the other wonders are a flat amount bonus...seems out of place. Maybe on this one, remove the per Turn bonus and have +10 Fame for the Monument and +50 Fame for the Tower (the only exception to your 2.5x proposal for wonders).

Currently that operator business doesn't work the way the devs intended. As far as I know it never has as I set it to 1 before and still got 1 xp per turn. There is no need to actually remove that line unless you want to, just change the description to be consistent with what the tag is truly giving you.

It's an attempt to make wonders more valuable than they currently are. In addition, it's an attempt to better insert Parrotmath's wonderbase mod into the game more smoothly.

If Fame becomes too much of an issue, then perhaps units like Henchmen and Mercs will need to have their Fame cost slightly increased. There are also Sions that cost Fame....and there is a Mod out there that makes Sions...well worth playing with. Small Fame costs could also be added to things like Golems or Juggernauts to help balance the increase. Lastly,  the levels at which you gain heroes could also be raised....thus giving the illusion that you are gaining more when in actuality...you are not.

I think part of me wants to make Fame into more of a commodity that can be spent or hoarded, each with different results. I really like that you can spend to hire Henchmen, Sions, etc. Imo, any mecenary hired unit should cost some fame as well. Magical mercenary units like dragons should have mana upkeep and perhaps even fame upkeep in addition to the gildar. Once that is in place, it opens up the realm to all sorts of new creatures and units and summonings to be hired/cast.