Quoting Turchany, reply 246
Quoting Timmaigh, reply 245What was the issue with Vorastra and Maw then, if Ragnarov at level 6 does basically the same?
Try killing a Vorastra, tell me if you succeed. And Rangarov has to turn to use the ability, not just jump and use at will.. And if you let a Ragnarov hit level6 you deserve to get defeated, but Vorastra if handled by a medium player (doesn't need high skill to use micro-phasejump well) is never killed, and severuns insta-heal it when it reaches safety.. Vorastra can escape almost any situations while your ragnarov is slow and will die of bomber spam, not like vorastra that could eat carriers and leave the well before the second wave hits it..
Did you ever actually used Vorastra yourself, Turchany? Or were you just always on receiving end of it?
Cause it certainly seems so. The teleporting is not be all and all ability. You still need to turn toward the targets with Vorastra, if you want to "maw" them, the same way you have to do with Ragnarov and its abilities. So no, there is no "use at will". Teleporting helps you to close on your targets, but then again, the Maw has nowhere near the range the abilities of Ragnarov have, right?
Additionally, you say it just takes a medium player to use Vorastra succesfully...cause using properly the likes of Eradica/Kultorask with their AoE abilities, which bomb everything around without a need to turn or aim at all, is apparently fucking difficult and rocket science.
Noone talked about the other titans (Eradica, Kultorask), they certainly need less micro to be efficient, only need to be close to many ships, never said it was a brain operation level thing..
I never played Vasari online, so much challenge winning with them.. From my experience (what I saw in skilled multiplayer team matches) Vasari factions have (had? I don't play online anymore due to lack of interest and fun) brutal advantage and many times a medium player could cause heavy difficulties to higher level players, so I think Vasari needs less skill, and if played by someone skilled like in the games where I got defeated by Vasari Loyalist... Same skill level, the one using Vasari wins. Someone pro having VL, and no matter how many fronts you have won he will be unstoppable and extremely hard to corner, and have fun staying in the game and not getting minidump for hours... I was able to kill Vorastra sometimes but only with brutal advantage in numbers and firepower, with the same level fleet it is almost impossible..
Maw is easier to use in my opinion than ragnarov explosive shot. When your ship is able to jump from the edge of the grav well to almost anywhere, positioning is a small task if the other one is not looking for, to say 2-3 seconds, and boom your carriers/frigates are all gone (before the hard nerf of Maw of course). If you get in the back of the ragnarov, that ship is basically useless if you manage to stay out of the arc of the main gun (not a hard task), but Vorastra could cause heavy damage in very small time (and with some luck).
I have never really seen level6+ Ragnarov in skilled matches, only when several titans were already deployed and we were making a breakthrough, but I have seen Vorastra reaching lev6 many times because of it's extreme durability and instajumping.. Add Vasari fleet superiority and you will have almost free XP to feed your vorastra to level6, and good luck killing that jumping hell.
