So the concerns about corvettes being OP rest mostly just on 5v5 where they make it easier to defend? Or generally in cases where there will be fighting/rushes early on it seems...I've often wondered how/why 5v5 became the standard for online MP in Sins. Most RTS is 1v1 as it is easier to balance for and a more clear indicator of skill - plus imbalances are easier to spot. I kind of wonder about nerfing corvettes just because they are too good for early game 5v5. Even in 2v2 or 3v3 on larger maps, I wouldn't see them as having as big an impact.

So basically late game your uber Titan FINALLY takes out your enemies uber Titan in a battle to the death. Who- hoo I did it..!!!!

5 minutes later his heavily entrenched Titan factory spits out his splitting image brother another uber....what's the point in that victory? 

Anyone else see that here we go again situation besides me?

No xp no levels.

Yes, I agree the game has become Titan centred and that frigates have a much lesser role and I'd like to see it come to more of a middle ground with Titans as support/force multipliers rather than "whole army soloers" - at least at level 1. I have played online 5v5 and I enjoy it. I also like smaller scale games as well. My point was just that we don't really know what mode the devs are most concerned with balance wise and that what is OP in 5v5 might not work out the same in smaller games where you don't have suicide spots and eco spots in the same way. I'll take your word for it that corvettes are just as OP in smaller game modes and not just in rush situations as I haven't fully tried to exploit them yet.

I completley and totally agree with the op that the xp has to go but we also need to realize that titans are what makes Sins Rebellion Sins Rebellion. I couldnt wait to have a titan that could wipe out fleets singlehandedly and now that we have them people are saying that we shouldnt have them. People if you dont want titans just play Trinity its that simple if you dont like titans suck it up and find a way to take them out its life and who said it had to be fair. 

Ah titans are a great idea, and completely doable.

Its just HOW they are incorporated into the game. The development decision to say "titans will be a early mid game ship".  This is more detrimental to game balance then anything else, they asked for this knowing full well that they were upsetting the game at so many levels(did they get a new design leader who wanted to make their mark on the game? please god tell me no!).  The player base doesn't like the game getting too upset as to render several fundamental ship types irrelevant.  Also, this development decision could be EASILY changed by increasing the tech requirements of titans, and increasing their cost, and buffing the ship for arrival in the mid game.

A tech level 6 titan that costs a LOT of resources would be the ultimate game ender for large fleet vs fleet fights. (say 20k credits, 5000 metal and 4000 crystal, that you "feed" to the titan project, and have a little counter in your window ).  This would be something that multiplayer games rally behind and if you don't pressure the economy player enough you will just get an uber ship of death knocking on your door.  IMO, this would make endgame matches really cool, instead of just a spam fest. Might even get a frontlines player to get some feed researched so they could feed the economy player for a titan . 

This would fit better with SoaSE as it is currently designed.  The developers made the decision to get these ships early to ensure players got to use them more.  They can still be achieved, but now they are achieved in the mid game.  Many multiplayer matches reach this point, so its not out of this world to concieve that yes, players would be able to play titans.

Titans would offer players the stalemate capability IN THE MID GAME, where it has rarely, if ever, been possible. 

Stalemating in the mid game allows for more longterm strategies to play out that enable the game to reach the END GAME. 

In this way the game is better balanced and you might have the potential for some incredibly long and exciting multiplayer matches.

Also, my suggestion allows for stronger titans starting out of the gate, and stronger titan abilities.  This would allow titans to still feel totally badass.

That, or the developers change the titan levelling curve so that they

A: level slower

B: Gain more in ability strength and endurance per level.

Currently developers are nerfing titan health.

WHY? because they are an early game ship...they are TOO STRONG FOR THE EARLY GAME.

I'd rather see titans later on in the game, as it stands they arrive too early and will wreck too many tried and true game mechanics.

i agree that as it stands its too easy to get Titans, and the point where u get them, i.e early/mid they just wreck everything.

The only 2 options as i see it are

1) to nerf Titans heavily to have them act as heavy capital ships instead of super units

2) bring Titans into the game later so there awesome power can be countered more easily by strong fleets.

just how does a Titan with thousands of crew, now dead, impart their experience to a newly constructed Titan?  nothing about it makes sense.

IMHO, there was never a need for Titans being the ultimate battleships. I mean they could be big, powerful and fearsome, but their strength could have lied in their special abilities, and not talking now only about the fleet supporting/buffing ones like those of capships.

The only real battleship could IMHO stay the Ragnarov (but even that one would need to be killable with decent sized fleet), the other ones could be pretty much like:

Coronata: planet conqueror (the repossesion being its main purpose, no need to level toward it)

Eradica: lets say it could have been big carrier as Advent have a thing for strike craft + could have ability to ressurect something (planets/ships) - but more prominently than currently with those low chances, no, something stronger, more Necron-like

Vorastra: mobile base, fleet beacon and planet devourer with added capability to do those Microjumps would be IMHO just enough

Kultorask: something related to phase lanes, ability to lock down those natural ones,  built-in phase stabiliser

...in summary, titans could have one or 2 game-changing abilities, but there was no reason to be the ultimate fleet killers as well. You would build them to repossess enemy planets, or strip them, or use it as mobile homeworld, or to meddle with phase lanes... but you would not build them to take on enemy fleets instead of fleet of your own.

My 2 cents... 

   Bottom line is that Titans also need to get pushed much further into the tech tree, you should have the threat of losing the game before you even obtain a Titan.

  They seem to have moved the Titans front and center to sell the new product, as if we couldn't wait to get our hands on them.

 We do want to get our hands on them, just not at the expense of the  current game experience.

Keeping the experience is silly indeed. A starbase like system and moving them up the tree sounds like a much better system than the current one. Titan should be a strategic choice to make, an addition to your fleets to break through heavily defended lines, not a necessity to have around already by midgame. Their power seems fine to me, as they are huge and bad-ass looking, but such power should not be cheap and losing one should be a heavily blow to your economy.

Maybe make them use more capital ship crew (like 4?) to make it more of a trade-off to have one?

I've a few ideas.

When a titan is near to being destroyed you should have an option to eject crew to escape in pods which act a bit like trade/cargo ships and head for the nearest starbase. When the crew has ejected then there will obviously be a delay while the crew travel back home. When the crew has ejected the titan will not be able to fire weapon systems although remaining armor will last until it is destroyed.

If you choose not to eject crew then you will be required to train/build a new crew just like you do with a capital ship.

There may be an option to destroy an escaping crew, but this will be made difficult due to the speed of the craft. This will slow down the process of producing Titans and also make people think twice about committing a Titan. 

There could also be options for resupplying a Titan crew if some or all are destroyed after they eject, reduced time to build etc.

If SOASE Rebellion wants to take the wimpy route by giving players with more resources than brains their titan back with full xp, it's just gonna diminish the game.  If your titan gets popped, well too bad.  File a reimbursement petition, complain about lag, disco, hax, etc... but once dead, it's dead.  Deal with it and rethink strategies for next game.

Titans can go down fast without AM