A New particle was discovered, though I don't know if the experiment has been reproduced.

meh, turns out it's just a quasi-particle... read the article and didnt follow up looking up what the hell it is.

SithLordAJ...I summon thee to a thought experiment regarding quantum entanglement.  Wilt thou accept?

Well actually, I have a mod back story and wanted to harmonize it as much as possible with what we currently know of physics--particularly regarding quantum information and entanglement.

It will of course be science fiction...not pure science. 

Thought I'd bounce my ideas off you and you could examine them for comment and suggestion and perhaps even phrase the argument or theory yourself. If you're up to it (or get bored) here's the premise (in my simplification style):

We're going to (in the Sins universe)...

• Contra-rotate two micro-singularities at fractional velocities of c and at specifically calculated and measured vectors.
• In my scenario, this creates a transparent and permeable aperture (rift) between our own dimension and another.
• Through this aperture information can be near-simultaneously transmitted via entanglement to or from each universe.
• In addition, either side may at will be opaqued so that information access is blocked to one or the other or both dimensions.
• Information from one dimension will be entangled with information from the other allowing transport of matter-energy between them.
• Complete entanglement will allow a clone in the opposite dimension without destroying the original in the other.

We need the mechanics and methods to make this as "substantive" as we can without having to express the mathematics to lay people--just the concepts.

The Yggdrasil will be the synthesis of a virus transmitted from our universe via entanglement and then the resulting merge will be re-entangled and manifested in our universe.  The premise here is that--unlike regular entanglement the --clone will be a hybrid--manifesting traits and capabilities derived from it's presence in the other dimension before return to our own. While technically a clone, exposure to the physics effects of each universe distort the expression of the new form in the other universe.

One such trait is that it will be a virus the size of a titan ship capable of utilizing energies and matter from each dimension, expressed within our own.

I obviously have the idea but I'd like to hear how someone else might spin it to make it work or suggest a more interesting alternative.

So the technologies I allow to facilitate this Rube Goldberg construction so far are the phase engines of Sins, wormhole travel science and controllable micro-singularities.  The black holes are also our primary energy source though we can tap antimatter,  vacuum and dark energy as well.

I'll wait for comments or ideas. Basically we're working to get around the classical laws of our own physics.

P.S.  Phase I is already complete...I successfully entangled your thoughts with my own and made you respond to my post. 

Thanks for the reply which I'll try to respond to after another night of sleep deprivation.

Micro-singularities would be teensy ones that won't form by normal gravitational processes.  Take high energies to create and have short lives.  Like the ones right after the big bang or in our case, artificially created with energy.  I'll assume we create quantum singularities artificially, enhance their stability through some arcane process and then grow by feeding them additional matter until they achieve the sizes we want.

They will have to be charged in order to be spun.

"Fractional velocities of c" is just a pseudo-scientific blah-blah to mean, "Really fast so we can break the laws of physics in our story".

Essentially the "rift" is a wormhole (since we already have those in-game and if we were trying to rationalize space fleet travel though wormholes we would have even bigger problems...not to mention FTL travel itself).

As for energies, we're using antimatter and any other sort (vacuum energy, dark energy, etc.) to open the rift and we're going to assume the peculiar properties of the other dimension provide a strange sort of energy that let's us keep a wormhole going. 

Travelling FTL and jumping space fleets through wormholes in game already breaks so many laws of physics we' aren't going to worry too much on this.

Right on the semi-permeability of the rift aperture(s).  What we actually are going to presume to have is a two-way transparent hole that can be made translucent, opaque or fully reflective on either or both sides to any degree desired at any time we want--so we can control the flow of things through it as we wish.

I actually did mean "teleportation" as opposed to straight-forward entanglement.

So let me throw this out...

We send a simple virus through the rift that is already entangled with another simple virus. On reaching the other side, dimensional properties there change the nature of the virus and these changes transfer back to our entangled virus--carrying with them the strange and peculiar dimensional effects the other side of the rift provides.

In some way, we want the sent virus to not have to be destroyed even though in our own universe that would have to be the case to achieve teleportation...in our scenario we get a hybridized clone instead.

Let's assume that our entangled virus hits "otherspace" and the response there is to echo back into our universe and change our normal space virus into the mutant monstrosity we want.

Here's a few different ideas:

• The virus is sent through the rift, but someone on one side or the other hits the rift privacy switch at just the right moment. You can claim quantum effects are amplified between doorways and it's wave function was split between one side of the rift and the other at the time the switch was hit. so the virus ends up in a superposition between both universes and then claim decoherence does not destroy this superposition because it's across universes. So you can pick it up, prod it, get a whole slew of people infected by it. Only if the rift is opened again will it decide which side it is on, but then each side has a 50/50 chance of getting the virus while the other side does not. This does not address the entanglement issue or the enhanced biology aspect
• A virus is a living organism, organisms replicate. have it replicate while passing through. To get the effects you want, say somebody goes through the rift from the other side and gets infected. Now, who knows what will happen? In this situation, the virus on this end might not be the same as on the other end. They are not connected in any way.
• well, if you want to claim that if you have an entangled pair (A & B ), 'A' gets messed with in someway, and somehow 'B' changes too; I think you have to say that it has to do with the differences in physics between our 2 universes. that's not how entanglement works here, but lets say in the other universe, entanglement does send information/stuff (like a force carrier). To try to balance out the physics (I would think such a universe would be incapable of complex life), let's say that in that universe entanglement is not instantaneous like it is here. I say this because then there's a good chance decoherence will spoil the affect before it gets far and therefore make it a small effect like entanglement is here.
  So, the resulting entanglement across universes means both effects are present. it causes both particles to be affected the same way or behave as if they are one particle. All of it happens instantly
• Literary advice: while it's good to know what the hell you're writing about and all the limitations and exactly how it works.... Keep in mind that explaining the details does not necessarily make for a more believable story. Often, the less is told, the better in all aspects. However, being consistent and not contradicting known laws of physics is important for the credibility of the story and characters in it. Everytime you have to make 'suspension of disbelief'/exception, you do have to explain the bare minimum at least.

More to follow regarding the rest of your last post. Wanted to get this done, because I suspect this is 'gold' you were looking for.

Warning: this is more of a nitpicking session

Here, I'll start with someone else:

Tony Stark: "Anti-electrons"

Nobody who knows anything significant about quantum mechanics calls them Anti-electrons. They're Positrons. The only time you see the term 'anti-electrons' is when dealing with virtual particles. Even then, they're almost always called Positrons, but saying 'electron/anti-electron pairs' helps reinforce the idea that it cancels with the electron and the net total is zero. Ruined the technobabble for me

Just to reiterate..... singularities of any kind have no size. That's what makes it a 'singularity'. A point of infinite value and no size. So, are you claiming these singularities are spacial in nature? ie, they are points of extreme spacial distortion like  the center of a black hole.

You seem to be mixing the term 'black hole' with 'singularity'. Black holes have a gravitational singularity at their center. they are not synonyms, however. 

Not necessarily. If you have a black hole and want to cause it to spin, but it currently is not spinning, the easiest way of doing that is if it has a charge. Then it will respond to magnetic fields and such. However, if in the process of creating it, it was already spinning... it does not 'need' a charge (however, it's likely to have one). you can't really change it's spin though, so whatever works.

only velocities which are significant fractions of c are 'really fast'. 1/4000000000000000000000 is a fraction. however, this would not be very fast; and therefore is not a significant fraction of c.

I merely was trying to point out there is a difference in terminology. A rift is more like the doorway between 2 rooms. A wormhole is like a hallway between to rooms. a rift is 2 dimensional, a wormhole is 3 or 4 dimensional.

vacuum energy works best. You could even pull the energy from inside the wormhole, maybe suggest the purpose of the experiment was to draw energy from there in the first place but then the other side was discovered. maybe it was discovered because enough energy was drawn from the wormhole vacuum such that other endpoints became visible, but not reachable. So, a project was started to 'build' a wormhole to one of the other end points from scratch.

Note B was about how to flip the privacy switch on the wormhole, not the viability of wormholes. Please reread under this context.

Yes--you have destroyed the forums there.

muahahah. I fixed the forums

Apparently my tony stark quote created a glitch in the matrix 

wikipedia says you're wrong. Not that everything there is right, but if it was a term, you can bet there would be an entry. There is reference to a 'quantum singularity' which is the ψΦ technobabble for a gravitational singularity.

I'm not trying to be mean here, so I guess this is my last appeal on this.... any speed that is not c is a 'fractional velocity of c'. The common term is "significant fractions of the speed of light". The idea is that you don't need special relativity to calculate stuff  that's travelling 2 mi/h. and since relativity involves terms of v^2/c^2, the only time you get a number of consequence is when v is very very close to c. then you get a fraction which is 'significant' (ie. not lost in rounding)

again. singularities are not synonyms for black holes. A feature of black holes is that they have a singularity. I have heard of micro-black holes and/or mini-black holes. That is a common term but the (spacial) singularity within them has the same size as a stellar mass black hole, a supermassive black hole, and/or the recently discovered medium-sized black holes. but just to drive the point home, the mathematical function y=1/x has a singularity at x=0. electrons (in classical physics) have an electrical singularity at their center of mass.

But... apparently you are not asking me for correct details. Every time I bring you a correction, you say that I am mistaken or it is seemingly ignored. So, rather then escalate this, please inform me of what you are looking for from me. You have told me the parts you have figured out. What have you not figured out?

I just thought of a good analogy for quantum teleportation. It might even be feasible to accomplish:

Say I wanted to teleport your computer from your house to mine. What I would do is take your hard drive and run something like a scandisk on it, however this scandisk involves irradiating the hard drive with entangled particles. This obviously destroys the information on the hard drive and may render it completely unusable ever again.

Now, I take the results of the scandisk (yes, I'm using 'scandisk' pretty loosely here) and the other half of the entangled particles, and I can reconstruct the information onto a similar make of hard drive. If I now put the hard drive into the exact same set of hardware as what you have in your PC, it should run just like it did on your PC.

The analogy could be taken further by doing a similar thing to the whole PC while it is running, capturing what's in the RAM, the CPU, the GPU, and everything else. The difference between this and full blown teleportation is merely the level of irradiation. If I didnt want to go find the same set of hardware, and wanted the whole physical PC to be teleported, I would have to irradiate the entire PC to the point that your PC becomes a melted heap of plastic and silicon. I could then take the exact amounts of each atomic element of your PC and painstakingly reconstruct it.

And actually, the first method of just copying the info on the hard drive would probably have errors on it. It wouldn't be a perfect copy. This happens not because the copy machine is flawed, but because the paper you're copying to already has some data on it. The atoms in a blank hard drive aren't the same as the atoms in your hard drive. This is why you'd have to do a much more thorough irradiation and physically reconstruct the hard drive.

meh, that article is light on details. I would guess it's of fairly limited use. Quantum mechanics is very strict about the way information changes hands, so I would think that if some process could copy information exactly or lead to exactly copied information, that process would become a dominate process and you'd see lot's of said copies. I think what they were getting at was how classical physics is recoverable from quantum mechanics because quantum effects 'average out'. That is the 'copying'... however, without details, it is just a guess...

As for your question... well, a virus is an organism, and organisms replicate... I could imagine infected tissue replicating the virus and then some strands being teleported while others were not. It's kind of difficult with a virus because I think they only carry RNA, which is half a DNA helix. If you had DNA, split it down the middle, then teleported one half, the other half could be reconstructed due to the redundancy in DNA. Though it may not be perfect. 

As for the analogy... I always say the only way an analogy is any good is if you list the way your analogy is wrong and how far you can take it. If you make the analogy really dumbed down, you're going to be sitting there for an hour and a half listing all the limitations and such that pop up. I think I did pretty well. Kinda stretched the word 'analogy' a bit there too...  

During that last post, I was idly imagining a virus that would cause teleportation. kinda interesting because it could infect a person all over the place at once and then eventually would cause them to disintegrate as the virus starts teleporting cells to other creatures... pretty crazy.

Another thing that I realized during the recent discussions: I'm more convinced than ever that accessing another universe is impossible. This came from my contemplations about how physics would translate when going from one universe to another.

Here's why: If there is a multiverse, there surely is an infinite variety of universes with varying laws of physics. If our universe had physics that permitted inter-universal travel/information exchange, then (due to the infinite variety of universes in the multiverse) it surely would be happening all the time. Now, this alone is not the problem. The problem is that due to the infinite variety in the multiverse there is probably quite a few bursting with stuff (exotic matter, magnetic monopoles, antimatter, gravity, just hordes and hordes of hot plasma, etc) that would be very very disruptive to the continued existence of our universe.

Lest you think you can avoid the problem with a careful excuse why our universe might be protected from that variety, but  have allowed connections to other, less violent types... remember the infinite variety again. the universes can daisy chain to put you right back in the trouble area again. Also, I can sort of hear you saying "well, maybe something like dark energy is such an effect (or some other similar real process)". Well, where there's smoke, there's fire. Such observed effects are smoothed out, which is typical for our universe. However, I see no reason why all other universes would have smoothed out effects or why they would become smoothed out when entering our universe. For instance, maybe there's a universe with an infinite cosmological constant. if that were to connect to our universe, our universe would disappear in the blink of an eye.

Now a case might be made for some sort of balancing affect from all universes, but then we're cherry picking the multiverse to be made 'just right' for life/our universe again... I think if you're going to suggest that there's extra physics that affect us indirectly, extra dimensions is the place to be. All indications are there are not infinite numbers of them and so it would not be so surprising if the values were skewed in certain directions, but didn't overwhelm everything else.