ETA on 1.1 » Forum Post by carlfranklin89

Quoting kenata,

I completely agree, but the fact is that they are doing a lot of the exact same things with 1.1 that they did with the beta. They are saying some stuff but ultimately keeping the community in the dark through the entire dev process. I mean I am not saying that this is necessarily a bad thing, but it is ultimately unnecessary. Since release, they have put out both full release updates and pre-release updates. Honestly, I think if they put out a pre-release ("beta") patch out with all the current changes even without full testing, the community would be much better off. Modders would be able to have their mods ready for patch release instead of having to wait and see what breaks and regular players would be able to try the changes and give good honest feedback. Since they would be pre-release, only those players who go out of their way to get the raw patch would play them and you wouldn't have this up in arms situation at all since the community would have plenty of time to discuss the actual changes. Right now, all the community can do is debate about the small tidbits of information given in this post or that with most of the conversation revolving around how one believes the system works instead of how it does.

They are putting a beta patch out (1.09n is a beta version of 1.1 and should be available some time today) While major things are being tweaked there is the risk that other stuff will get changed/broken this may require restructuring of the code/xml which may or may not be obvious to the player, but may have a significant impact to the mods (or none at all!)

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I like the game as it is currently - except for the mount bug - and all the things they are making just makes it look even better!.

but .

ETA ? (know its today - but today when! )

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My schedule for today:
while(have power to work || Elemental beta is`t on)
{
Work
Work
Click F5 on Impulse
}

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been clicking f5 now for a while -.- my f5 clicking finger is startign to hurt

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Tridus

Join Date 03/2008

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Quoting kenata,

reply 17

I disagree with your point about mutterings on the forums. At this point, a lot of people are past this point and are simply shelving the game. Recently, impinc posted on two of his mods a message to this effect, underscoring a real sentiment within the greater community. When poster in September were upset about being paid beta testers, many people defended SD given that they were putting out regular patches and had stated their intention to put out 1.1 at the end of September to start fixing the design decisions players had problems with. Now, almost two months later, we no longer get regular patches and are being asked to take part in another beta. Personally, I would rather have regular small patches which gave the community something to look at and talk about, than wait months for some huge patch. Look at most of the threads on this forum now, most of them are just wish lists or comments about things we have no idea about beyond what the devs post.

You can't put out small patches on a weekly basis if you're making major structural changes to how things work. You'll wind up with a weekly release with half of the new magic system implemented, where global mana is there but some spells still look for an essence stat, and various other nonsense.

To avoid that, someone would have to take time to QA a build every week and fix such issues, which would make the actual process of improving the game even slower.

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Exactly what Tridus said. Constant small patches when overhauling the whole game is not possible. Take a chill pill and follow the example: Shelf the game and come back in February or later, see where the game is at at that point. That's the right thing to do if you feel frustrated about the game or it's development right now.

I don't understand why anyone would even want to play the game right now. It's in a bad shape and it won't play even close to the same as what the final product will be.

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econundrum1

Join Date 04/2007

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I don't understand why anyone would even want to play the game right now. It's in a bad shape and it won't play even close to the same as what the final product will be.

Because I enjoy seeing how the game is shaping up and maybe contributing a little to it's future direction by giving feedback. That's why I signed up for the origional beta, why I've continued to play the game since launch and why I'm happy to beta 1.1. I find the journey as much fun as the destination.

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Sorry that I my post was kind of vague/misleading. From a 'following the development' standpoint I agree that it's really interesting to follow the game and try it out. I do occasionally boot up Elemental to check out the status. But as a gamer, wanting to play games and enjoy it, I don't understand.

And I'm extremely glad that there are people like you who enjoy trying it out and giving feedback; the feedback is very valuable and it will make the game I eventually end up playing and loving that much better. So I thank you for the job you're doing and am glad you enjoy doing it.

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Please, please, please, please ... please, please give us the beta 1.1 today

I really want to spend this weekend finally playing this game.

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Quoting TorinReborn,

reply 34

Please, please, please, please ... please, please give us the beta 1.1 today

I really want to spend this weekend finally playing this game.

Torin, your hope should be lost. They turned to the dark side of power!

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Shelving the game for a while and coming back later is definitely not a bad idea. I did it back in August after the release, which was sour after having been in the Beta since like April.

I came back at the end of September and was pleasantly surprised to see how far the game had come, at least in stability.

They're fixing one major issue at a time, and that's a good thing. It shows that they know there are major issues with their game, and by fixing them, they're pseudo-admitting to the broken state the game is currently in. By fixing them, we're also getting a better game out of it, as well as the chance to be some small part of the design process. It's cool.

You don't need to be godly patient or tolerant for Elemental, or even Stardock. The only thing you need to be is hopeful. Keep a glimmer, so that in a few months when it piques your brain again, you download the latest version and see where it's at... And be pleasantly surprised. ^^

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