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Should have waited for CIV 5 it will be awesome...and work

For me, Stardocks Elemental trumps Civ5.   

I'm having fun as well and it also will be fun to track changes in time. Not to mention that I'm a huge fan of turn based games and there are not many launched in recent years....

I also bought it to give little support for further development

It has been mentioned in other topics but let me repeat. usually discovering new games gives me a lot of pleasure. With Elemental it will be many times, not only once

For anyone still sitting on the fence (like me), Amazon has some good deals for Elemental new in box for about $29.

and EWoM wins hands down yet again. <laffin>

I've seen most of the previews of Civ 5 and despite everyone telling me that *this* is the one with -major- changes, I still don't see it.  Civilization 5, at it's heart, is still Civilization 1 with more bells and whistles.  It's still a linear romp through the same old history that we've seen before: Settlers, Workers, Phalanxes, Knights, Musketmen, Infantry, Artillery, Nukes, Space Components, bla, bla, bla.  It is getting really, really old.

Units now fight alone on hexes...big deal.  It's still the same BS that I've seen over and over again, only this time it's Steam only and the controls are going to be severely handicapped and optimized for consoles.  Maybe I'll buy it in a few years when the full version comes out (read: all the expansions).  Thanks, but no thanks, I'll pass for now.

Elemental offers something fresh and new, not seen since Master of Magic.  There is real tactical battles, quests, role-playing, marriages and dynasties, heroes and villains, fantasy stories, rich modding tools, and so much more.  I'm willing to invest in new, fresh ideas, even if the road is a little bumpy and less trod.  I am done investing in worn-out repeats.

Well, why bite the bullet and buy something that you know isn't finished and will take months to complete, when you could just buy great games now and buy Elemental later when it's something worth buying?

You do realize that Elemental is just another civ too?  Start with nothing, build an empire, win by diplo, conquest, science, etc - sound familiar?  It's civ, or the basic 4X formula, just a different wrapper, and in the case of Elemental, it's a ripped up, broken, incomplete, and simplistic wrapper.

Elemental is supposed to be a spritual successor to MoM, or at least be similar to it.  Does that mean Elemental is "just another Mom" and not appealing?  Err, guess not.

IMO, every element of Elemental is simplistic - there isn't one thing about it that is compelling.  Mostly human units/leaders in a fantasy game.  Simplisitc units.  Simplistic magic and spell system.  Simplistic city/empire building.  Poor UI.  Poor in-game info.  Poor AI.  Poor tactical.  And so on.  It's hard to find one thing about Elemental that really grabs you.  The game does oddly have a "one more turn" vibe even with it being a shell of a game, and you know SD will bust a move and improve, but it's just not the game it should be yet and you can only hope that some day it gets there.

I love Stardock.  I consider GalCiv2 (to be SD's best game, Elemental is nowhere close, not by a longshot, sorry Brad) to be on par with Civ IV, and Civ IV is one of the best 4X of all time.  Elemental is nowhere near the quality level or gameplay level of Civ IV or GalCiv2.  Not even close.  Maybe some day.  Why play a prototype til some day?  The state of Elemental is nobody's fault but SD's - it didn't have to be like this.  Civ 5 will instantly be at or beyond the Civ IV/GC2 level upon release.

Why play a prototype and a shell of a game when you could play what will be one of the best 4X games ever now, and come back to Elemental when/if it reaches the potential and state we all hoped it'd be in and hope it some day reaches?

I could just as easily be raving about Elemental if it was worthy of such praise. 

Listening to people talk about how they'd rather play Elemental than Civ V crack me up.

Can't wait for Civ5. Bored to death of Elemental.

That is evil.  You make me cry.

Why did this get to a Civ 5 vs Elemental thread?

So what?  I play more then one game at a time...maybe I'm a bit different.

I wasn't criticizing your opinion.  I tend to really sink my teeth into games, and have trouble changing gears in the middle.  At least, that's how it works when it comes with complex strategy games, which is just about all I play.