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[Exploit] Trading with AI

September 9, 2010 11:28:22 PM from Elemental ForumsElemental Forums

Through trade windows with AI, I can profit off them for no benefit on their part. This can only work if both parties have a sufficient amount of gildar.

Example: I'll buy all your metal for 2,000 gildar. "Deal!" Say...I noticed you have no metals, pretty important stuff... How bout I trade you all your metal back for say... 6,000? "Deal!" Hold on let me add a little bit of my own metals so I can take all 8000 of your gildar. "Deal!"

Like stealing candy from a baby...

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Reply #1 September 10, 2010 3:03:20 PM
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It would be pretty funny if the AI was smart enough to realise it had just been swindled and declared war on you because now it has all the metal.

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Reply #2 September 10, 2010 3:05:29 PM
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LOL ok that needs to be fixed...

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Reply #3 September 10, 2010 4:54:43 PM
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it doesnt work.  AI buys back at 1/5 the price that it sells.  

buying 24,809gp - selling back 5,407 gp.  

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Reply #4 September 10, 2010 5:13:27 PM
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I bet the OP has Highly researched Diplomacy and Retarded does not and that Diplomacy changes the trade ratios...  Dollars for donuts I'm guessing thats what's going on.

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Reply #5 September 10, 2010 5:20:08 PM
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Quoting Gene1966,
reply 4
I bet the OP has Highly researched Diplomacy and Retarded does not and that Diplomacy changes the trade ratios...  Dollars for donuts I'm guessing thats what's going on.

would take a lot of refining to put trades in the green.  there has to be some other value modifiers involved.  

 

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Reply #6 September 10, 2010 7:06:10 PM
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The main trading exploit I've noticed is the valuation of Diplomatic Cpital varying depending on your peace/war stance.  Usually the difference is a couple orders of magnitude.  It's led to exchanges like this:

  • I see my opponent has 1000 gildar
  • I declare war
  • He values a peace treaty at something like 5000 and diplomatic capital at 200 each
  • I trade him 30 diplomatic capital for peace and 1000 gildar.
  • Now that we're no longer at war, he values diplomatic capital at 2 apiece.
  • I trade him 60 gildar to get back my 30 diplomatic capital.
  • Net results: I gain 940 gildar, he gains nothing.
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Reply #7 September 10, 2010 8:38:27 PM
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All your gildar are belong to us.

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