Why are you rushing the game so much? » Forum Post by SolarVengance

Am I missing something?

The tons of other posts like this. It can't get delayed.

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Quoting Annatar11,

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Am I missing something?
The tons of other posts like this. It can't get delayed.

Source?

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I know you have to hit the August retail spot, but we all know what code quality comes out of crunch-time.

Why not just take a chill pill and delay until Feb?

I just can't see how you're going to have a game fit for release in August.

Am I missing something?

How long through the beta process have you been following? Have you watched my videos? If you have, you would see each iteration growing into a truly amazing game. And when they stop having to create iterations for beta that are a generation or three behind where the full game currently is.. then it'll get finished.

But these beta's help iron out the key issues with tech problems, and some minor gameplay. Were the sausage factory that you wouldn't ever see from other companies. But this is what they do all internally. And then voila it ships and you never heard about the aches and pains. Just the final product.

This will be a game to remember, not because of rushing through the virtual door, but because it was so polished and amazing on day 0. And came without DRM.

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I dont really understand this too.... it cant get delayed? Why?

There is nothing worse for gamers than an incomplete game on release, ETW being a perfect recent example. I'd rather wait, than constantly repatched until the game is nearer to its potential.

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The latest beta has been the least stable for me, but I still don't think it needs delaying.

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Quoting Anomander,

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I dont really understand this too.... it cant get delayed? Why?

There is nothing worse for gamers than an incomplete game on release, ETW being a perfect recent example. I'd rather wait, than constantly repatched until the game is nearer to its potential.

It may not have all the features you think are critical, but I don't think it will be unfinished. Also, Stardock is known for patching its games until they are great, that is what you are buying when you get one of their games. Granted, the reviews don't take that into account, but I sure do. I know that Elemental will be a game I play for a long time because it will get better and better. Honestly, the Beta 3 version is quite a lot of fun right now. With some polishing and bug fixing (which is certainly possible before the gold date), it will be a good release. Add to that the few weeks they will have to work on a day 0 patch (1.01) and we will be enjoying a tremendous game.

Keep in mind that the Beta is not the same as the internal build as well (although I would guess that 3c is pretty close), so we are not seeing the full picture (for example all the tech trees are not enabled). If you have particular concerns about the game, bring those up, and see if you can have them addressed. If instead you just have a general sense of it being unfinished, I think you find that the few weeks from now until release will help immensely with that (especially UI polishing, which it definitely needs).

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The game appears to be coming together very quickly now, so if they can somehow keep this rate up, I don't think it'll need delaying.

It's a real pity that it's either August or February, with such an enormous gap inbetween, but I don't think it'll be necessary.

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a good core game for august release is possible at the current pace but itll probably still need some patching.

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Quoting SolarVengance,

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Quoting Annatar11, reply 1
Am I missing something?
The tons of other posts like this. It can't get delayed.

Source?

Search the forums, it's been said many times by Frogboy.

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Surely software development is one of those magical things. No matter how much advance planning and work you think you have done you always end up with a week or two of utter insanity as you struggle to meet that dead-line. My understanding is that this is due to some sort of awesomely powerful witchcraft.

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It can't get delayed because all the gears are already rolling. Contracts are signed, deals are made.

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There are many many components to a release. All have to be brought together at a set time for the full deal to be completed. Some can't be changed, like say the manual which requires being sent out to Printing well in advance, Boxes, pressing disks etc etc etc etc.

So a date was set and will be met as the game is coming along nicely. Turns out it was the "Roads Fault"...

Anyways, I want my Pewter Dragon NOW!

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Quoting DeadlyShoe,

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a good core game for august release is possible at the current pace but itll probably still need some patching.

That is for sure, but which game isn't in need of patching after release? ..you lads should stop worrying. Even if we gonna have some bugs/glitches/etc in v1.0 the devs will fix it quickly.

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Quoting Tormy-,

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Quoting DeadlyShoe, reply 8a good core game for august release is possible at the current pace but itll probably still need some patching.

That is for sure, but which game isn't in need of patching after release? ..you lads should stop worrying. Even if we gonna have some bugs/glitches/etc in v1.0 the devs will fix it quickly.

Heck we'll not even be playing v1.0 in almost all cases, we'll be playing 1.01 (fixed)

Which will have three! more weeks of work! To implement my city idea with villages growing organically, and giving that satellite community feeling a real sense of awesomeness... (Hey I can dream right?)

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Just to be an annoying nitpick, you mean 1.01, version 1.1 is the first major post-release update.

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I am a software dev myself, and have been watching this game eagerly since the very first beta.

I have had crunch-time where I sat 40 hrs straight to finish a game I was making for a school assignment and seen what miracles can be done in such a short time with a focused mind and high motivation.

The game turned out great, but it had WAY too little content, and was shallow on the gameplay side.I had spent most of my time creating the framework for moddability and easy content creation. In the end I just didn't have time to use my easy content creation for anything more than putting together one level and a bossfight.

I have also worked 12hr+ days for 3 months and know that it sucks the will out of you to ever program again.

They're really in a pickle since August is too early and February too late =/

I know that Elemental will be great in the end, but I'm just fearing that a too early release will affect the first impression of this game too much. Lets hope it isn't so!

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Sounds like this dude is judging what the game is going to be like but what it is now. Patches coming everyday, fixes upon fixes. Wait until August 20 at the least before posting delay requests.

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Quoting SolarVengance,

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I have also worked 12hr+ days for 3 months and know that it sucks the will out of you to ever program again.

I know that Elemental will be great in the end, but I'm just fearing that a too early release will affect the first impression of this game too much. Lets hope it isn't so!

First I'll just mention that I agree with long hours of programming sucking the will to program out of you. I work most of my summers as a software developer and am often really burnt out when fall comes along, even though I kind of like the job and am full of energy during the first month or so.

Second, I have the same fear as you do. Let's just hope we're both wrong.

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Quoting Gorstagg,

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How long through the beta process have you been following? Have you watched my videos? If you have, you would see each iteration growing into a truly amazing game. And when they stop having to create iterations for beta that are a generation or three behind where the full game currently is.. then it'll get finished.

But these beta's help iron out the key issues with tech problems, and some minor gameplay. Were the sausage factory that you wouldn't ever see from other companies. But this is what they do all internally. And then voila it ships and you never heard about the aches and pains. Just the final product.

This will be a game to remember, not because of rushing through the virtual door, but because it was so polished and amazing on day 0. And came without DRM.

Perfect. Nothing else need be said!!

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Quoting mpiersant,

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Sounds like this dude is judging what the game is going to be like but what it is now. Patches coming everyday, fixes upon fixes. Wait until August 20 at the least before posting delay requests.

Yes, because 4 days before stores sell them (meaning they've already bought the boxes and have them in stock, just need to put them on shelves) is the perfect time to delay the game

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I too follow the beta progress and knowing the effort Stardock is putting into their games still after release as well as the mature and friendly community here, it was clear for me to reorder. The beta was only a nice side-effect

I have my concerns about the release in August as well, but on the other side the game is on a good track and the team at Stardock shows really big progress that a release is February next year would be unfair to far away.

currently I see the first release a medicore review by print and online magazines. But everyone should consider as well that alot of magazines test AddOns as well. This means, even a middle range review for the original game could receive an outstanding review with a AddOn afterwards. As soon as the AddOn gets a review, the game itself gets known again and a second chance. So I hope that they should for sure plan an AddOn around Februar next year to push the game again into the shelves

At that time several mods and the AddOn will bring in new customers Real addon's and not only DLCs will further upgrade the original game

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Quoting mpiersant,

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Sounds like this dude is judging what the game is going to be like but what it is now. Patches coming everyday, fixes upon fixes. Wait until August 20 at the least before posting delay requests.

yeah sure, 20th aug he tells "ehy stardock dont release the game, its not ready!" and they will listen to him lol

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Quoting Wylaryzel,

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I too follow the beta progress and knowing the effort Stardock is putting into their games still after release as well as the mature and friendly community here, it was clear for me to reorder. The beta was only a nice side-effect

I have my concerns about the release in August as well, but on the other side the game is on a good track and the team at Stardock shows really big progress that a release is February next year would be unfair to far away.

currently I see the first release a medicore review by print and online magazines. But everyone should consider as well that alot of magazines test AddOns as well. This means, even a middle range review for the original game could receive an outstanding review with a AddOn afterwards. As soon as the AddOn gets a review, the game itself gets known again and a second chance. So I hope that they should for sure plan an AddOn around Februar next year to push the game again into the shelves

At that time several mods and the AddOn will bring in new customers Real addon's and not only DLCs will further upgrade the original game

you guys forget civ 5 is coming right next elemental

and surely civ5 will be a top seller game with millions of fans and interest around it

so i dont wanna reopen the question about delaying but you have to realize that if launch is not superb (not good, SUPERB) ppl will soon lose interest or just play till civ5 is out

and our concern is more deep cause we know elemental CAN have a superlative impact on the gaming world

we just dont want it to be "another" game

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Quoting ddd888,

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Quoting mpiersant, reply 17Sounds like this dude is judging what the game is going to be like but what it is now. Patches coming everyday, fixes upon fixes. Wait until August 20 at the least before posting delay requests.

yeah sure, 20th aug he tells "ehy stardock dont release the game, its not ready!" and they will listen to him lol

Since the plan originally after beta 4 was to close the public beta and go to internal testing and polish before release, I don't know why he even thinks he'll have code on August 20 to comment on.

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This is what, the tenth thread about this in the last month? They aren't rushing the game. As of last week they were ahead of schedule, adn considering everyone worked over the weekend, I doubt that has changed. And as Brad has posted every other time this has come up, a lot can happen in the last couple weeks between the closing of the public beta and the final release. GalCiv didn't have starbases, Sins had a different economy and was missing one of the factions, etc, etc.

And as Annatar said, it's too late to delay it.

As for Civ5, it doesn't matter. Again, it's a subject that has come up over and over recently, and there's really no point in rehashing it again. Just look up the old threads.

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