"V" 2009 » Forum Post by Timmaigh

Quoting Scoutdog,

Interspecies pregnancy makes no sense frfom a scientific perspective, but then again the show makes no sense from a scientific perspective.

Say this to mother "nature"... goat with 60 chromosomes + sheep with 54 chromosomes = hybrid with 57 chromosomes ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheep-goat_hybrid

In fact, in the nature, we can find a lot of hybrid reproduction... fact is that a lot of case lead to dead born, some case lead to sterile offspring ( mule ) and a few case lead to normal hybrid who can leadto a new race... In some species, hybridisation plays an important role in evolutionary biology. While most hybrids are disadvantaged as a result of genetic incompatibility, the fittest surive, regardless of species boundaries. They may have a beneficial combination of traits allowing them to exploit new habitats or to succeed in a marginal habitat where the two parent species are disadvantaged. This is more usual with plant that with animal...

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Hate to say but I told u so! About the pregnancy i mean.

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Quoting Thoumsin,

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Quoting Scoutdog, reply 24Interspecies pregnancy makes no sense frfom a scientific perspective, but then again the show makes no sense from a scientific perspective.
Say this to mother "nature"... goat with 60 chromosomes + sheep with 54 chromosomes = hybrid with 57 chromosomes ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheep-goat_hybrid

In fact, in the nature, we can find a lot of hybrid reproduction... fact is that a lot of case lead to dead born, some case lead to sterile offspring ( mule ) and a few case lead to normal hybrid who can leadto a new race... In some species, hybridisation plays an important role in evolutionary biology. While most hybrids are disadvantaged as a result of genetic incompatibility, the fittest surive, regardless of species boundaries. They may have a beneficial combination of traits allowing them to exploit new habitats or to succeed in a marginal habitat where the two parent species are disadvantaged. This is more usual with plant that with animal...

Presuming purely naturalistic evolution, any life developed independent of that on this planet would not have DNA. Such lifeforms would possibly not even be carbon based, though they'd operate at way different temperature ranges if so. Either way, the random paths of materialistic evolution would not produce the same biochemical nanotechnology.

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Say this to mother "nature"... goat with 60 chromosomes + sheep with 54 chromosomes = hybrid with 57 chromosomes ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheep-goat_hybrid

In fact, in the nature, we can find a lot of hybrid reproduction... fact is that a lot of case lead to dead born, some case lead to sterile offspring ( mule ) and a few case lead to normal hybrid who can leadto a new race... In some species, hybridisation plays an important role in evolutionary biology. While most hybrids are disadvantaged as a result of genetic incompatibility, the fittest surive, regardless of species boundaries. They may have a beneficial combination of traits allowing them to exploit new habitats or to succeed in a marginal habitat where the two parent species are disadvantaged. This is more usual with plant that with animal...

Ok, so I used the wrong term. My point is, while interspecies pregnancy is technically possible between similar species, humans/alien lizard hybrids simply aren't gonna happen without heavy genetic engineering. Maybe not even then.

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Yes, but for that matter neither would wearing a layer of cloned human flesh because of the immune systems of the human tissue and assumed immune system of the alien being.

It is Science FICTION for a reason.

Here is a question I've been trying to figure out. What do the aliens want this time? I don't think it is water and food like before. I'm guessing they want a new home and intend to replace us.

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Quoting Rishkith,

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Here is a question I've been trying to figure out. What do the aliens want this time? I don't think it is water and food like before. I'm guessing they want a new home and intend to replace us.

Possibly, an army of disposible soldiers to fight their other enemy. In the movie V, they were going to take our water (or as much as they could carry on the ships), use some of us for food and some of us for soldiers.

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It is Science FICTION for a reason.

Yes, but that doesn't mean it has to be bad SF....

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Quoting numerarius5988am,

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Presuming purely naturalistic evolution, any life developed independent of that on this planet would not have DNA. Such lifeforms would possibly not even be carbon based, though they'd operate at way different temperature ranges if so. Either way, the random paths of materialistic evolution would not produce the same biochemical nanotechnology.

From all the hypothetical types of biochemistry, the carbon based one is these who have the more chance to happen...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypothetical_types_of_biochemistry

My point is, while interspecies pregnancy is technically possible between similar species, humans/alien lizard hybrids simply aren't gonna happen without heavy genetic engineering. Maybe not even then.

Curious to know what tools have mother nature used for create the Platypus... 80% mammalian genome, 20% reptile genome, along with trace of birds, amphibians and fish... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ornithorhynchus_anatinus

My point is that everything is possible... genetic engineering is something new for us... but technology from V will be more advenced that ours... able to build huge space ship, travel very big distance in space and having a almost unlimited source of energy ( it will explain why the V ship don't need to land )...

Simply imagine a V civilization who have only 100 year more technologic advancement that us... 100 year seem nothing but compare human science from 1909 and today 2009...

What seem impossible or godly for us can be easy for a more advanced civilisation... and at the univers level, everything is possible... giving the time needed ( million of years )

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Quoting Thoumsin,

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Curious to know what tools have mother nature used for create the Platypus... 80% mammalian genome, 20% reptile genome, along with trace of birds, amphibians and fish... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ornithorhynchus_anatinus

Curious that having genome patterns in common is infered to mean relatedness by heredity. In programming languages, there are generic functions called macros. However, just because two pieces of software may use X percentage of the same macros does not mean that one program was derived from the other, just that they use similar functions.

However, if you wish to claim that having 20% DNA in common with reptiles, along with traces from other orders, means that the platypus is a result of interbreeding or something to that effect, then we humans are the result of interbreeding with bananas. We have 50% of our DNA in common with bananas as compared to 20% in common with reptiles in regard to the platypus.

(Edit: macros is the wrong term. However, I am refering to the concept of using generically coded scripts which are altered by the programmer for the particular need. It is a concept I had learned when I was studying C++ a few years ago. In electronics, this is even more the case though. I will not argue on the component level, since they are more analogous to "A C G" etc, than to the code itself. Though, the circuits themselves are more properly analogous to the code.)

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80% mammalian genome, 20% reptile genome, along with trace of birds, amphibians and fish...

Could you point me to that, in the article you mentioned? Because I can't find it.

And if something is 80%/20%, how could it have traces of 3 other things? After all, 80+20=100. Traces other than that would have it at over 100%.

Unless, of course, you are suggesting that the Platypus is a miracle from God to show us His greatness by creating a creature that is outside the possibility of reality?

"My point is that everything is possible... "

No. Not everything is possible.

Is reaction possible without action?

Is good possible without evil, or visa versa?

No - to both. If God could have done it, then why not? Is God evil? Or good? Or simply indifferent. !?

As it is - a reaction relies on an action, and good is only a reference point for evil.

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Presuming purely naturalistic evolution, any life developed independent of that on this planet would not have DNA. Such lifeforms would possibly not even be carbon based, though they'd operate at way different temperature ranges if so. Either way, the random paths of materialistic evolution would not produce the same biochemical nanotechnology.

And your sources for this 'information' are, what?

Life itself might require DNA, in it's known form (although not necessarily in it's known composition).

Is DNA reliant on a carbon based life form? And, how would you know without non-carbon based life forms to compare it with?

Here is something you might want to read:

Stephen Hawking on the Possibility of Non-Carbon-Based Extraterrestrial Life

http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2009/07/stephen-hawking-on-the-possibility-of-noncarbonbased-extraterrestrial-life.html

"Alien life may not have DNA like ours..."

DNA 'like ours'...

It may be different from ours, but it still could be DNA.

As to the 'V' - they are clearly carbon-based life forms, I would think.

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Quoting Moosetek13,

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And your sources for this 'information' are, what?

Probability. What are the odds that the same formation of deoxyribonucleic acid would be formed anywhere else? Another formation that does not have the same general structure perhaps, but DNA, in the particular form on our planet is far from being a molecule which is predestined to occur, much less in multiple locations independently.

Funny how after I show my antagonism towards a lacking argument in favor of interspecies breeding that I would be criticized for my previous post after so long of it sitting there beforehand.

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The V race could easily be advanced enough to make versions of themselves with any kind of genome, dna or whatever the like.

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Quoting joasoze,

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The V race could easily be advanced enough to make versions of themselves with any kind of genome, dna or whatever the like.

Or, they could be dinosaurs from Earth.

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Quoting numerarius5988am,

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Quoting joasoze, reply 38The V race could easily be advanced enough to make versions of themselves with any kind of genome, dna or whatever the like.

Or, they could be dinosaurs from Earth.

Dont give the writers any ideas for future seasons

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Quoting joasoze,

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Quoting numerarius5988am, reply 39
Quoting joasoze, reply 38The V race could easily be advanced enough to make versions of themselves with any kind of genome, dna or whatever the like.

Or, they could be dinosaurs from Earth.
Dont give the writers any ideas for future seasons

Actually, I think it was implied in the latter part of the 1983 movie V, though just as conjecture among the scientists in hiding.

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actually that would be kinda fuckin cool.

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If the V mothership took on the mothership from Independence Day, who would win?

IMO I think it comes down to Independence Day's strike craft and shields vs. V's hot alien chicks.

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Quoting numerarius5988am,

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However, if you wish to claim that having 20% DNA in common with reptiles, along with traces from other orders, means that the platypus is a result of interbreeding or something to that effect, then we humans are the result of interbreeding with bananas. We have 50% of our DNA in common with bananas as compared to 20% in common with reptiles in regard to the platypus.

it is not the result of interbreeding but the result of evolution on a very long time... all species having exist and who exist on earth can be placed in some sort of evolution tree... with a common root...

Now, at a technical level, human are already able to modify the genome of some plant... ethic stop science to experiment with human but why it will not be possible to mix some DNA from one species with these of the human DNA... sure that it will lead to a lot of case who are not viable... until one case will be able survive...

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Quoting Moosetek13,

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And if something is 80%/20%, how could it have traces of 3 other things? After all, 80+20=100. Traces other than that would have it at over 100%.

The traces are about a few genes who are normally only found in the other species... since DNA is made of million of genes, maybe you was more pleased if i have wrote something like : 79.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% and 19.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% ...

Unless, of course, you are suggesting that the Platypus is a miracle from God to show us His greatness by creating a creature that is outside the possibility of reality?

What have God to make with evolution, genetic and science... the Platypus is simply a anomalie, a interesting case...

Is reaction possible without action?

Chemical reactions can be spontaneous, requiring no input... your example is a bad one because you see only one definition of reaction, these who mean "response to another event"...

Is good possible without evil, or visa versa?

No - to both. If God could have done it, then why not? Is God evil? Or good? Or simply indifferent. !?

What is good, what is evil... again something who cannot be define... what is evil for someone can be can for someone other... and again, what god have to make with this...

These topic is about a science-fiction serie... and science have nothing to make with religion or phylosophie... now, i begin to understand why some pepole think that a serie like supernatural is science-fiction...

Is DNA reliant on a carbon based life form? And, how would you know without non-carbon based life forms to compare it with?

don't need to have a life forms for compare... it is simply a chimical fact... the more possible alternative is silicium... around 10 time more rare that carbon in the universe... and silicium is not really a good candidat at the chimical level... main reason why here on earth, with more silicium that carbon, carbon based life is only found... in fact, we are really lucky that the condition on earth have allow the creation of life...

And DNA is mothing more that the building schema for a organisme... so, it is very possible that a alien race use other method for store their "building schema"... in fact, if earth was not protected by a strong magnetic field, DNA will be a very bad choice since high energy particule from space and the sun will be able to break it down...

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" in fact, if earth was not protected by a strong magnetic field, DNA will be a very bad choice since high energy particule from space and the sun will be able to break it down..."

Naturally ignoring the fact that ALL molecules break down when hit by a high energy particle.

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Quoting Thoumsin,

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Is reaction possible without action?

Chemical reactions can be spontaneous, requiring no input... your example is a bad one because you see only one definition of reaction, these who mean "response to another event"...

The term "spontaneous" in chemistry doesn't mean "on the spur of the moment without reason", such as someone all of a sudden saying, "I want to go to Alaska for winter!". In chemistry, spontaneous means that all the factors are right for the reaction to occur. However, even when a reaction is spontaneous it does not mean it will occur. In order for a spontaneous reaction to occur activation energy must be provided.

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Quoting MetaNerd3ooo,

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" in fact, if earth was not protected by a strong magnetic field, DNA will be a very bad choice since high energy particule from space and the sun will be able to break it down..."

Naturally ignoring the fact that ALL molecules break down when hit by a high energy particle.

Not necessarily, it depends on the resonance of the bonds.

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Yes it is pretty good so far

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Quoting numerarius5988am,

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In order for a spontaneous reaction to occur activation energy must be provided.

Since when ???? For info :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spontaneous_process

A spontaneous process is capable of proceeding in a given direction, as written or described, without needing to be driven by an outside source of energy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_reaction

Chemical reactions can be either spontaneous, requiring no input of energy, or non-spontaneous, often coming about only after the input of some type of energy.

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