But they don't actually reverse engineer anything. They just find old Forerunner tech and use it. They don't know how it works, or why it works, they just know that it works. All they do is copy existing stuff, with out learing how it works.

But none of those actually help the Covenant war effort, plus none of them are Covenant, either. The Halos wipe out all sentient life, so if they used them, the Covenant loose, along with everyone else. Plus, they are pretty much immobile, and as they are all located in a different galaxy than the Empire, firing them would just kill the the Covenant + UNSC, no one else.

The sheild worlds, as far as I know, cannot be controled by the Covenant, so are just as likely to attack them as it is the Empire.

The Ark, again is immoblile, and its only purpose is to create more Halos, which, as I said earlier, are a no-win for everyone.

The Empire, on the other hand, has superweapons that they can control themselves, are mobile, and won't they won't kill themselves if they're used: The Death Stars, Sun Crusher, Galaxy Gun, Eclipse I+II, World Devastators, etc. Granted, most of those weren't active at the same time frames, but they are still worth pointing out. Plus there is the regular Super Star Destroyers, and the massive fleet that is many, many times larger than the Covenant's.

Starwars of course.... There are several 100 races and planets in starwars that work together with the empire, and the rebellion. Starwars technology seems so much more advanced then in Halo aswell, not to mention the population in the starwars universe is probably well into the trillions.

The Covenant DO reverse engineer Forerunner tech. They dont blindly copy. If they did they would be much more powerful, because Forerunner tech is way beyond any covenant tech. Their science is more advance than humans. Look at this way: In Mass Effect Everyone copies Prothean technology (which turns out to be reaper tech) they cant make mass relays, because they dont fully understand the science behind making them, but they do understand the science behind the other things they copy.

Now it is undeniable that the empire could never defeat the Forerunners. Yes the Empire can build star killing super weapons, but they cant build galaxy killing weopons. And the Forerunners were not even the first race. There was a race, which from what is referenced, was able to ascend, stargate style.

After the war the Humans would begin to take over and use Forerunner tech to its full potential because they were chosen to inherit everything. Thats why only humans can activate the halo array. Its also the reason the Covenant couldnt copy everything. They were not permited to do so.

I will answer other post and then get back to the list of Covenant ships.

[quote]Halo Array: Seven giant rings scattered through out the galaxy, a weapon of last-resort against the Flood parasite. They are 10000 kilometers in diameter. Main Weapon is a radiation pulse of unknown type with a range of 25000 light-years that kills all life large enough to support the Flood parasite along with all Flood forms above Infection Form. Status: Standby Mode after Delta Halo firing was aborted.



The Onyx Shield World: Onyx and a second Shield World in Halo Wars I do not know the name of are the only known Shield Worlds, it is made up of trillions of the advance Onyx Sentinals. The core of the planet houses a Slipspace rift which within is a Micro Dyson Sphere and a star. Onyx may be able to fire at DS or beyond levels. Please refer to the book Ghost of Onyx. Have to go now, edit this later.



The Ark: The Ark is the nerve center of the Halo Array and the largest Forerunner refuge outside of a Shield World. It can remote actiavte the entire Halo Array if the firing of one is stopped. It can also build new Halos within a few months using the resources of a large planet located at it's core. The Ark was either badly damaged or destroyed when the new ring destroyed it's self will firing. I will do another post about Covenant ships based off Halopedia data.

But none of those actually help the Covenant war effort, plus none of them are Covenant, either. The Halos wipe out all sentient life, so if they used them, the Covenant loose, along with everyone else. Plus, they are pretty much immobile, and as they are all located in a different galaxy than the Empire, firing them would just kill the the Covenant + UNSC, no one else.

The sheild worlds, as far as I know, cannot be controled by the Covenant, so are just as likely to attack them as it is the Empire.

The Ark, again is immoblile, and its only purpose is to create more Halos, which, as I said earlier, are a no-win for everyone.

The Empire, on the other hand, has superweapons that they can control themselves, are mobile, and won't they won't kill themselves if they're used: The Death Stars, Sun Crusher, Galaxy Gun, Eclipse I+II, World Devastators, etc. Granted, most of those weren't active at the same time frames, but they are still worth pointing out. Plus there is the regular Super Star Destroyers, and the massive fleet that is many, many times larger than the Covenant's.

When I talked about these I think as them as the ultimate defense against an invasion by the Empire, they send in a huge fleet will everyone just runs to the Ark and blasts the thousands of ISD's and dozens of SSD's away. Now lets set up a time frame for both sides; post battle of Yavin for SW, and at the start of Halo 2.

And in the process they blast their own fleet away, along with their planets, etc.

I don't quite see how that works.

The Ark was placed outside of the galaxy and thus outside of the blast radius of the Halo Array. This would make some sense because someone had to repopulate the galaxy after it was wiped clean(or it was done by AI; it really wasn't specified).

I may be wrong. I'm a little rusty on my Halo trivia today

Ummmmm . . . huh?

I was just saying that using the Ark to remote detonate the Halo Array without being caught in the blast is a possible tactic.

I obviously have no idea what's going on

Star Wars Hyper Drive, allows the ship to enter hyper space, the empire has ways of countering it, so it would likely work on the halo tech. Now i'm goinga hold any more comment untill i talk with my friend who is a halo nut, and a sw nut.

But over all i think SW has a scale advantage.

-Gabe

IF done smartly when in a gravity they can navigate by mirco hyperspace jumps to get out, in many of the books they can disable the failsafe and jump within a grav well and did it safely because they were smart enough to do the number right.

Why are people saying that the slipspace (slipstream) in Halo is superior to hyperspace in star wars.  It took me roughly under a minute to find the information.

Hyperdrive (SW)

In numbers, the hyperdrive allowed travelers to traverse a galaxy spanning over 120,000 light years in only a few hours or days, the exact travel time depending on a number of factors including destination, point of origin, route, and class of hyperdrive.

However,

While generally determined by the distance between two planets, hyperspace travel times between two locations seemingly close to one another could be drastically extended by the need to navigate around stellar hazards, such as asteroid fields and nebulae.

An example of this is the journey from Coruscant and Alderaan. In terms of distance, Alderaan was very near to Coruscant. However, it required 16 hours of travel to reach Alderaan due to a section of the route crossing through a part of the largely-uncharted Deep Core which is star-choked and therefore more difficult to navigate in due to its many gravity wells.Ironically, then, it was actually faster to get from Tatooine to Alderaan on the other side of the galaxy.

For Slipstream/space (halo)

Acording to the Halo Library

"This... engine allowed ships to tunnel into slipspace... slipspace is a domain with alternate physical laws, allowing faster than light travel without relativistic side-effects.  Faster than light travel is not instantaneous, "short jumps" routinely take up to two months, and "long jumps" can last six months or more.

So lets see here, across the galaxy for SW takes a few days while in Halo it would take months, maybe even years.  How can you say that halo ships are superior in drive technology.  Sure they can cut in closer to planets and grav wells but they still suffer their own effects, they have "eddies" in thier slipstreams that can vary the travel time up to 10%, the covenant just have better drives so they have like a 1% difference, doesnt mean they have better drives, just mean they have more accurate sensors.

That wouldn't stop the Covenant. In Halo Wars, the [old] Arbiter used Professer Anders to activate the Apex. In a galaxy of trillions, the Covenant can find a human, maybe even one that would do it willfully, to use.

I think to be a fair fight we should compare forerunners to Star Wars races. That way we have comparable ship size and technological capabilities. The Forerunners could cause stars to collapse and it became a standard protocol for flood containment. They became world builders able to construct things on a massive scale such as the shield worlds and the ark. Their understanding of Genetics has no mach. They also had armor that ranked in at class 18 maybe higher ( Master Chief's armor is class 2)