I'm all for that! Might be a bit visually heavy, with oceans slowly seeping into the bottomless pit like the Niagara Falls, but hell yeah.

I was apart of the other thread and it took me to realize Kitkun said "from another thread"  so I was like "did I make up my posting about this?   I need to lay off the drugs"

But seriously, yes.  I would (if I were creating the spell) create a pit in the terrain, and have waterfall effects on the edges.  Small fall for parts that intersect rivers, and large ones for parts that intersect ocean tiles.  

That also being said, I wouldn't mind if the water was stopped by some barriar like the one created by the American Rabbit at the end of the movie to stop the Niagara Falls.  (it made no sense)

Parting of the Sea: Create a land bridge and stop water-borne units from crossing.

Poisoned Apples: Spawns caravans/food resources/etc. (Spawn occurs as if by normal discovery to other players, cannot be distinguished from normal resources) that can be grabbed by other players. It rapidly kills off their populations if they do.

I like this idea a lot, but by late game I wouldn't want to see an entire map filled with rivers of blood.. So maybe an Armageddon Counter is in order? Oh wait thats already been used..  I wonder how counter acting spells will be handled? Were spells able to be counter acted in MoM?? I think i need a refresher..

I like the idea too! But im kinda concerned considering i just had an apple for breakfast and it seemed unaturally sweet... How long before this spell takes effect? Hurry counter act it, cuz i can't seem to remember how!! *acki*

Hm, since there is going to be an emphasis on quests, what about world altering mayhem spells that are cast by non-opponents? 

Let me illustrate a scenario:

A channeler's hero finds an ancient tomb in a dungeon and is driven mad by it.  He disappears into the wilderness and 5 years later, is found in the company of nether-demons in an ancient citidel. 

He begins casting a spell that, once identified, is said to bring ruin to worlds.  If he is not stopped, he summons the "Blood Moon," which spends a year passing through the sky of Elemental, spewing down meteorites, dislodging stars, and casting down legions of nether-demons unto the world.  If he and his demons are stopped before the spell is complete, the channeler who is victorious gains broad renown and an abundance of treasure.  Unknown to the other channelers, however, the tomb (which was, itself, the true caster whom attempted to call the Blood Moon) has entered the hands of the victorious channeler under their control, at which point, they have the choice of destroying it, using it as an evil aligned artifact in the hands of the channeler, or stashing it away in the event that they wish to finish the spell themselves.

I could see this too, but what element of magic would this fall under? Earth perhaps?

Goodmorning all,

On the topic of counter magics, i was thinking you should at least have to know the spell, to counter it, 

So to counter a spell you would have to;
1 identify that it is a spell *weather might change something to ice temperarrally, is that natural or spell enhanced?* 
2 invest in finding out what spell it is,  If you have that spell to cast very easy fast, if you cast that element but don't have that spell researched slower, if you cant cast the element slower still.
3. invest almost as much in the counter spell as the spell, or define a protection area, smaller, that you use magic to make immune from the spell.  (example ice age spell,  defining a wall between two lakes, or oceans that hold back the spell, oceans too big to freeze, thin area between them pinches off, so you build a magical wall, the spell stops there.)

what do we think?


Also once you've managed one of thses awesome spells, it's late to end game, if the enemy can't counter, they should be exponetial game enders, ridding across the land on your unstoppable wall of glacial ice. . . type thing.

hmm?

Best wishes

Overall I like your ideas, except for the part about having to know know a spell in order to counter it. If there are enough spells and enough magic limitations that any channeler is unlikely to learn more than a fraction of them in any one game, it would seriously underpower counter magic and would be frustrating. If someone casts pestilence on my fields and I don't know the pestilence spell and am not able to research it, then there's nothing at all I can do? Sounds bad. Also, countering a spell like pestilence seems like it'd require something very different from the pestilence spell itself. Rather than summoning a horde of insects or plague, I'd want to kill or otherwise remove said nasties - and that could be done in many different ways. I could directly kill them all, I could redirect or send them away, I could make my crops immune, or even make them magically fertile to counteract, but not remove, the pestilence.

I'd love to see some sort of contextual counter magic system, but I don't know how or even if such a thing could be done. In the absence of contextual counter magic, though, I'd rather see a more general counter magic system like the following: countering a spell could have a base cost (which would depend on the magical power of the channeler who casted it, his proficiency in that school/spell, how much mana/essence he put into it, and the spell itself), which would be higher than the cost of the spell itself. However, the cost of countering the spell would go down based on your proficiency in that particular school (or schools) of magic, and maybe even more if you know the spell yourself.

And there should also be preventative protection spells that guard against hostile spells, with a chance of blocking them completely or reducing their effectiveness/duration.

Edit: WHY is quoting so broken?! Usually I only have trouble with multiple quotes from different posts or combining attributed/non-attributed quotes... This time there's just one!  

Goodmorning all,

My bad, I didn't mean you Needed to be able to cast the spell to dispell it,  I ment you need to be able to IDENTIFY the spell to dispell it. 

In MOM you see spells be cast against you, and you can go into the town and SEE the name of the spell and it's effects. you can go to the diplomacy screen (i think it's diplomacy) and SEE what global enchantments various wizards have cast.

I think in elemental Many of those elements should be hidden (to various degrees) Bad things happen, not all of them are caused by spell attacks.  To dispell a spell you need to first prove that it is there, then identify the spell, then destroy or pervert/work around/protect yourself from it. 

how long and how much energy it would take to do the second step, identify, woulld depend on many factors, one of which would be if you can cast the spell yourself. If you know a spell enough to cast it, you can identify the spell easily when it's cast against you.

If you cast that element,(but don't have the spell) you still will have the books, libary resourses, intuition, to guide you.

If you don't cast the element, and don't have the spell, and it's the first time you are trying to counter it. . . well identifing the spell by name and working up a counter plan's going to take time and energy. maybe even research points.

In short I don't want blanket spell disjunction spells, that undo any badness cast against you, if you pump enough energy into them. Does that make more sence??

Best wishes all

Robbie Price.

That's an interesting idea, but I suspect a large crowd might howl if the game has no generic counterspells.

Global Disjunctions and the like aside, I'd be really impressed with mechanics that meant some spells could work undetected unless the target made a sort of 'spell awareness' skill roll or used more magic (spell or item) to deliberately search for the covert magic.

Edit: OK, no more quotes with attribution for now.