Wow, you didn't even read my post(s)! Not even once! Stop trolling where I have perfectly adequate reason to echo my complaints.

I never said the Vasari are underpowered EXCEPT in the early game economy, where research for competency is so costly.

My posts have been about the lack of consistency, IE agreement, between the story posted on the website and the implementation of the race. My other complaint was about the 100% cloning of roles of ships, buildings, and techs; only skills and weapons "styles" differ.

I paid for the game in a preorder and have a right to give my input.

If anything I've been 100% concise and haven't whined once, unlike your repeated peevishness.

Considering the attitude and topicality of many threads around here, can you blame me? I got in on beta 3 and played quietly to myself for awhile -- I wasn't going to spam feedback when others already voiced my concerns. I don't hang out at sites to be stressed out by people like you. And I certainly don't pay to have my input denied by someone who isn't even a member of the corporation that I paid.

Let me quote myself. I don't see a SINGLE reason why you'd explode like you did. So stop spamming your "helpful" feedback to someone else's feedback. I'm not bloating the thread, you are! Your two discussion threads are already so visible that a blind, lame rat couldn't help but stumble into them.

I'm ending this now
Fleas, all you need to know is that there are absolutely positively NO inconsistancies between the lore and the game, whats inconsistant is what the broad player base assumed was going to be the style of the vasari.

if thats our only point of disagreement, this thread can get back to normal.

*puts Ron's head on a flag and waves it around*
all hail, all hail!

or perhaps they are nuking specific sites, not indescriminately

orbital bombardment from star wars comes to mind...

I'm just happy that its extensive vocal support for once, I've gotten tons of halfhearted cheering, but cheering from the sidelines doesnt help when the tigers are trying to gut you.

This whole conversation could be constructive if people were less ANTI-Sins or PRO-Sins. Remember that its all opinions. It's annoying to read people always defending Sins or destroyings people ideas. There is no perfect games and the discussion we all have on these boards should help the devs improve the games. They are intelligent enough to know what is a good point/idea and what is not.

My two cents.

Yea, the culture in that game was pretty wack. It moved REALLY fast. I had barely finished building the hub and the line was almost instantly 25% of the way to ron's planet. And that was only with the first culture tech.

And later, his culture gave me a serious wammy. His 3 culture centers next door managed to knock over my planet in a minute flat despite the 2 culture centers I had there.

Edit:
And for the record, I didn't quit. Game crashed hard. Had to flip the power switch to get my comp back.

Some players here are... emphatically... shouting down valid concerns, using strawmen and irrelevancies. I think I'll exit the useless discussion on these boards and hope that the devs will consider all feedback given as it is.

always be vocal, else you never get what you want! and most certainly never reach a middle ground, as is usually the norm.

Schod. Just because you think you are right does not neccessarily equate to you Being right.

I agree with you that allot of people who say under/over powered just need to play it out and think more. But your constant barrages of 'I'm right' 'Read This' are about as useful as cat litter.

The Vasari are too similar for those of us who want a balance system based on uniqueness, IE Warcraft III and StarCraft models. Sins races at the moment use the same method for building, exploring, colonizing, and gathering resources, and the two races value resources the same way. The Vasari for an example, would probably rely allot less on credits and more on metal, what with their captured TEC Slave Labor.

Other games use the clone balance system, this is what has been applied, thats not to say 'carbon copy' you can do very different things, but the basic foundations of the races are clones of each other, just like Sup-Com, CnC (any of them) and 90% of all other RTS games.

when their argument came down to whether or not I was right, I do need to make it a solid fact Gaunt, excuse me for defending my argument

I use the "I'm right" routine only when people are using the "your wrong" routine, which is what happened here.

those things are minor differences, again people are simply too atatched to the idea of races needing to gather resources or use resources differently, listen go look at blair's post, he explains every reason why they avoided that.

just keep in mind you are too focused on the microtic elements of the system to notice the major differences.

we gotz to have our shiny lights!

I don't understand why some people don't like the Vasari lasers (thin beam that lasts for a split second). They look a lot more like lasers than those beam bullets the TEC uses. In fact, I would prefer it if TEC ship lasers were more like the Vasari's.

That said, what exactly are those greenish Vasari crescents supposed to be?

I like it as is. However, I would like it just as much with a X2 duration.